One of the _great_ things about this list is that it is relatively
free of this wishy-washy kind of thinking!
jamikes wrote:
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> Dear Saibal Mitra,
> I believe you represent the highest scientific level in physical views. =
> This post is not personally
> to you, your communication just prompted it - to the list.=20
> It is in my opinion a 20th (2000th?) level consequential sophistication =
> of primitive views,
> 2D, not even 3D, observing nature not even outside the cave.=20
>
> I don't believe in atoms, photons, etc., which are ingenius =
> representations of observed=20
> effects in their insufficient view, personalized into pieces of objects =
> in lack of any better in
> the ancient observational views. Millennia ago.=20
> Since then the view has not changed, irrespective of our epistemic =
> enrichment.=20
>
> We still add and add calculalitve newer and newer theories to the =
> ancient dreamed-on views.
> The mind (ours, the universe's, whatever) interprets the impact it =
> receives. The newer ones=20
> are complacently fit into the old habits, even squeezed in.
> It takes mental power to sever the dependence of the brainwashing of =
> learned tales=20
> and think in new terms.There is IMO sufficient brainpower in this list =
> for such renovative thinking. There were such initiations, there are =
> still going-on topics of the new. Every now and then.
>
> A mirror-restricted symmetry is not the 'new way of thinking'. You did =
> better other times.
> Especially not for "particles" of scientific imagination. That we can =
> get in physics class.
>
> Sorry, I hope not to have offended you, all I wanted is to shake up the =
> latent talent to=20
> free-up itself from the complacent slumber.
>
> Respectfully
>
> John Mikes
> <jamikes.domain.name.hidden>
> "http://pages.prodigy.net/jamikes"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Saibal Mitra=20
> To: everything=20
> Cc: FoR=20
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:57 AM
> Subject: Ordinary atom-mirror atom bound states
>
>
> http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0204256
> Ordinary atom-mirror atom bound states: A new window on the mirror =
> world
> Authors: R. Foot, S. Mitra
> Comments: about 8 pages, couple of changes
>
>
> Mirror symmetry is a plausible candidate for a fundamental symmetry =
> of particle interactions which can be exactly conserved if a set of =
> mirror particles exist. The properties of the mirror particles seem to =
> provide an excellent candidate to explain the inferred dark matter of =
> the Universe and might also be responsible for a variety of other =
> puzzles in particle physics, astrophysics, meteoritics and planetary =
> science. One such puzzle -- the orthopositronium lifetime problem -- can =
> be explained if there is a small kinetic mixing of ordinary and mirror =
> photons. We show that this kinetic mixing implies the existence of =
> ordinary atom - mirror atom bound states with interesting terrestrial =
> and astrophysical implications. We suggest that sensitive mass =
> spectroscopic studies of ordinary samples containing heavy elements such =
> as lead might reveal the presence of these bound states, as they would =
> appear as anomalously heavy elements. In addition to the effects of =
> single mirror atoms, collective effects from embedded fragments of =
> mirror matter (such as mirror iron microparticles) are also possible. We =
> speculate that such mirror matter fragments might explain a mysterious =
> UV photon burst observed coming from a laser irradiated lead target in a =
> recent experiment.
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Dear Saibal Mitra,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I believe you represent the highest =
> scientific=20
> level in physical views. This post is not personally</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">to you, your communication just =
> prompted it -=20
> to the list. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">It is in my opinion a 20th=20
> (2000th?) level consequential sophistication of primitive=20
> views,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">2D, not even 3D, observing nature =
> not even=20
> outside the cave. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I don't believe in atoms, photons, =
> etc., which=20
> are ingenius representations of observed </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">effects in their insufficient view,=20
> personalized into pieces of objects in lack of any better =
> in</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">the ancient observational views. =
> </FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Millennia ago. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Since then the view has not changed, =
>
> irrespective of our epistemic enrichment. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We still add and add calculalitve =
> newer and=20
> newer theories to the ancient dreamed-on views.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The mind (ours, the universe's, =
> whatever)=20
> interprets the impact it receives. The newer ones </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">are complacently fit into the old =
> habits, even=20
> squeezed in.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">It takes mental </FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">power to sever the dependence of the =
> brainwashing of=20
> learned tales </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">and think in new terms.</FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">There is IMO sufficient brainpower in this list =
> for such=20
> renovative thinking. There were such </FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">initiations, there are still going-on topics of =
> the new.=20
> Every now and then.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">A mirror-restricted symmetry is not =
> the 'new=20
> way of thinking'. You did better other times.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Especially not for "particles" of =
> scientific=20
> imagination. That we can get in physics class.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Sorry, I hope not to have =
> offended=20
> you, all I wanted is to shake up the latent talent to =
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">free-up itself from the complacent=20
> slumber.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Respectfully</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">John Mikes<BR><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:jamikes.domain.name.hidden">jamikes.domain.name.hidden.net</A>><BR>"<A=20
> href=3D"http://pages.prodigy.net/jamikes">http://pages.prodigy.net/jamike=
> s</A>"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dsmitra.domain.name.hidden =
> href=3D"mailto:smitra.domain.name.hidden">Saibal=20
> Mitra</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Deverything-list.domain.name.hidden=20
> href=3D"mailto:everything-list.domain.name.hidden">everything</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
> title=3DFabric-of-Reality.domain.name.hidden=20
> href=3D"mailto:Fabric-of-Reality.domain.name.hidden">FoR</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 11, 2002 =
> 9:57=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Ordinary atom-mirror =
> atom bound=20
> states</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>
> <H2><A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0204256">http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/=
> 0204256</A></H2>
> <H2>Ordinary atom-mirror atom bound states: A new window on the mirror =
>
> world</H2>
> <P><B>Authors:</B> <A=20
> href=3D"http://arxiv.org/find/hep-ph/1/au:+Foot_R/0/1/0/all/0/1">R. =
> Foot</A>, <A=20
> href=3D"http://arxiv.org/find/hep-ph/1/au:+Mitra_S/0/1/0/all/0/1">S.=20
> Mitra</A><BR><B>Comments:</B> about 8 pages, couple of changes<BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>Mirror symmetry is a plausible candidate for a fundamental =
>
> symmetry of particle interactions which can be exactly conserved if =
> a set of=20
> mirror particles exist. The properties of the mirror particles seem =
> to=20
> provide an excellent candidate to explain the inferred dark matter =
> of the=20
> Universe and might also be responsible for a variety of other =
> puzzles in=20
> particle physics, astrophysics, meteoritics and planetary science. =
> One such=20
> puzzle -- the orthopositronium lifetime problem -- can be explained =
> if there=20
> is a small kinetic mixing of ordinary and mirror photons. We show =
> that this=20
> kinetic mixing implies the existence of ordinary atom - mirror atom =
> bound=20
> states with interesting terrestrial and astrophysical implications. =
> We=20
> suggest that sensitive mass spectroscopic studies of ordinary =
> samples=20
> containing heavy elements such as lead might reveal the presence of =
> these=20
> bound states, as they would appear as anomalously heavy elements. In =
>
> addition to the effects of single mirror atoms, collective effects =
> from=20
> embedded fragments of mirror matter (such as mirror iron =
> microparticles) are=20
> also possible. We speculate that such mirror matter fragments might =
> explain=20
> a mysterious UV photon burst observed coming from a laser irradiated =
> lead=20
> target in a recent=20
> experiment.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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