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From: Joel Dobrzelewski <dobrzele.domain.name.hidden>

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:22:11 -0400

Russell and Brent:

I understand this is an extreme position, but I state it this way on

purpose: to bring the issue to the foreground and get to the heart of the

problem of science today.

As long as we insist that continuous objects really exist - we will always

be fooling ourselves and forever chasing an unobtainable ghost.

Descriptions of continuous structures are only that - descriptions. And

they will *always* remain finite and discrete.

The symbol "PI" is a finite description for an infinite *process*.

No sheet of paper or gigabyte of RAM can contain PI.

And thus, any theory we create or program we write MUST truncate PI at come

point... otherwise we will forever be waiting for the theory to produce its

first result.

const PI = 3.1415926535

These descriptions are entirely misleading - only approximations - never

reality.

It would be better to do this...

const PI = 11101010000100010001111111100000111

But even this is wrong. To truly illustrate the point, we must do the

following...

function PI () as string

do

'calculate PI

loop

end function

Does the function PI() ever return a value?

No.

It is not within our reach.

This is not proof that there is no continuum.

Only evidence that there can be no continuum FOR US.

For us, there can only be one infinite process in the Universe - the

universe itself.

The one calculation that never ceases... but always remains FINITE in extent

and always DISCRETE. Always calculating PI to ever more decimal places...

Joel

Received on Mon Jun 18 2001 - 05:19:46 PDT

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:22:11 -0400

Russell and Brent:

I understand this is an extreme position, but I state it this way on

purpose: to bring the issue to the foreground and get to the heart of the

problem of science today.

As long as we insist that continuous objects really exist - we will always

be fooling ourselves and forever chasing an unobtainable ghost.

Descriptions of continuous structures are only that - descriptions. And

they will *always* remain finite and discrete.

The symbol "PI" is a finite description for an infinite *process*.

No sheet of paper or gigabyte of RAM can contain PI.

And thus, any theory we create or program we write MUST truncate PI at come

point... otherwise we will forever be waiting for the theory to produce its

first result.

const PI = 3.1415926535

These descriptions are entirely misleading - only approximations - never

reality.

It would be better to do this...

const PI = 11101010000100010001111111100000111

But even this is wrong. To truly illustrate the point, we must do the

following...

function PI () as string

do

'calculate PI

loop

end function

Does the function PI() ever return a value?

No.

It is not within our reach.

This is not proof that there is no continuum.

Only evidence that there can be no continuum FOR US.

For us, there can only be one infinite process in the Universe - the

universe itself.

The one calculation that never ceases... but always remains FINITE in extent

and always DISCRETE. Always calculating PI to ever more decimal places...

Joel

Received on Mon Jun 18 2001 - 05:19:46 PDT

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