Re: Consciousness schmonscioisness

From: James Higgo (co.uk) <"James>
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:52:55 -0000

Your statement, 'without consciousness you can't incorporate the anthropic
principle into your fundamental theory', is wrong. You can, it's just that
you look for conditions that would support this observer-moment (a
'self-referential thought'), rather than conditions that support some
physical object like a brain.

In your last paragraph you seem to concede that s single observer-moment can
be 'conscious' and stand-alone. What need is there for this extra word,
'conscious'? What does it add to 'observer-moment'?

James


----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Mazer <lasermazer.domain.name.hidden>
To: <everything-list.domain.name.hidden>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Consciousness schmonscioisness


> "James Higgo (co.uk)" wrote:
>
> >It's been almost two years you guys have been hung up on this 'I'
nonsense
> >-
> >can't you conceive, for one moment, that there is no 'I'? Can you grasp
the
> >indisputable fact that this debate is meaningless if there is no 'I',
just
> >observer-moments without an 'observer'? Has anybody out there understood
> >this point?
>
> How does it make sense to talk about "observer-moments" if you don't
believe
> in consciousness? Those who don't believe in consciousness at all should
> really just talk about the probability of various physical configurations,
> computations, or something similar. But without consciousness you can't
> incorporate the anthropic principle into your fundamental theory--no
reason
> to say some patterns/computations can be "experienced" while others can't.
>
> However, for those who do believe in consciousness, it is still possible
to
> disbelieve in *continuity* of consciousness--there could just be a lot of
> separate observer-moments that don't "become" anything different from what
> they already are (so there'd be no point in asking which copy I'd become
in
> a replication experiment).
>
> Jesse Mazer
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Received on Sat Feb 10 2001 - 05:36:03 PST

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