RE: History-less observer moments

From: Higgo James <james.higgo.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:47:44 +0100

It seems to me that a good way of selecting one idea over is competition is
Occam's razor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Chen [SMTP:flipsu5.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2000 3:59 AM
> To: Higgo James
> Cc: 'Alastair Malcolm'; 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'
> Subject: Re: History-less observer moments
>
>
>
> Higgo James wrote:
>
> > This thought -> this thought is not special -> there are many thoughts
> ->
> > the simplest way to have many thoughts (Kolmogorov) is to have all
> thoughts.
> >
> > No excursion into a physical world, no hypothesis on the nature of
> reality
> > required.
> >
>
> As you present your picture of reality again and again, it seems rather
> than being the opposite
> of the mechanistic reductionist scheme, it is the reciprocal space of it.
> Your reality (it
> appears to me) is the ensemble of all possible thoughts/concepts. So this,
> in principle, would
> include even the all-universes ensemble as a subset. Each thought, in the
> mechanistic picture,
> can be realized or implemented in perhaps an endless number of ways, each
> corresponding to a
> different physical process or computation, maybe. Conversely, a
> mechanistic process is always
> described with many concepts involved.
>
> One remaining issue, then, is the perception of correctness, why does one
> idea seem right while
> another seems wrong, and how do you judge? I suppose you can appeal to an
> objective or a
> subjective standard, but even with the subjective standard, it appears a
> universal description
> is needed.
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alastair Malcolm [SMTP:amalcolm.domain.name.hidden]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May, 2000 2:44 PM
> > > To: meekerdb.domain.name.hidden; everything-list.domain.name.hidden.com
> > > Subject: Re: History-less observer moments
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brent Meeker <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
> > > .
> > > .
> > > > It seems to me that these discussions are sometimes confused as
> > > > to whether the argument is going to take a Cartesian direction from
> > > something
> > > > we perceive directly -- "there is a thought" -- to the apparent
> physical
> > > world
> > > > or instead to assume some Platonic ideal --- the ensemble of all
> > > logically
> > > > possible worlds -- and try to show that it makes us and our world at
> > > least
> > > > probable. These are both interesting approaches and need not
> > > contradict;
> > > but
> > > > it gets muddle when one slides from one to the other.
> > >
> > > There is no problem for several of us in going (not on logical
> > > consequence,
> > > but on reasonable assumptions) from
> > > (1) 'This thought' -> 'apparent physics-governed world' -> 'all
> logically
> > > possible universes'.
> > >
> > > The problems can occur when instead people do things like
> > > (2) 'This thought' -> 'all possible thoughts'
> > > or
> > > (3) 'This thought' -> 'this monad' -> 'all possible monads',
> > >
> > > where, if (2) and (3) do not bring in something akin to physics at
> some
> > > stage, they will fall foul of what is effectively the white rabbit
> problem
> > > (aka induction failure problem), unless some other factor can be
> invoked
> > > which effectively gives priority to simpler universes / ordered
> thoughts.
> > >
> > > Alastair
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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