RE: this very moment

From: Higgo James <james.higgo.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:03:10 +0100

Either you are, or are not, a dualist.

The words, "believe that both (real) physical and (real)
mental worlds can exist and am I am quite content with believing that
they are, in fact, one and the same" are self-inconsistent.

I don't believe time exists as an objective feature of reality. There is no
evidence in physics for it. Ther eis nothing that is time-irreversible. See
Huw Price 'Time's arrow and Archimedes' Point' or the forthcoming book by
Vic Stenger (to be published by Prometheus, probably late this year).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott D. Yelich [SMTP:scott.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent: Friday, 12 May, 2000 10:48 AM
> To: Brent Meeker
> Cc: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
> Subject: Re: this very moment
>
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> On Thu, 11 May 2000, Brent Meeker wrote:
> > This seems like a very extravagant claim. In what sense does an idea
> exist if
> > no one has it. And what is an "idea" anyway - a thought, something that
> can be
> > expressed by a declarative sentence. If the latter, then does the idea
> > expressed by, "This is not an idea" exist? If there is to be a theory
> of
>
> I think This is not an idea" can exist and can exist as as idea (even
> under your clause above).
>
> > everything - including ideas - then it seems it would have to be
> something like
> > Russell's neutral monism; in which the basic "stuff" of our lives are
> sets of
> > monads some of which are related so as to represent a physical external
> world
> > (these we mostly call perceptions) and another related set which
> constitue an
> > internal mental life (which we call our thoughts). The fact that these
> two
> > sets are also related to each other in a certain order constitues the
> passage
> > of time (both physical and psychological) and together they constitute a
> > person who we say 'experiences things in time.' A TOE would presumably
> predict,
> > at least probabilistically, these monads and their relations.
>
> Is it JH who doesn't believe in time?
>
> I am quite satisfied with believe that both (real) physical and (real)
> mental worlds can exist and am I am quite content with believing that
> they are, in fact, one and the same. The numbers that are given to try
> to prove the multi-verse idea seems silly to me -- because if people
> were to accept that, then any number of other explanations would also be
> plausable.
>
> So, if we all have our own ideas of what everything is -- how
> do we proceed with discussions on this list?
>
> Scott
>
>
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