The word 'evolved' assumed a whole Newtonian-style world. That's a pretty
big assumption. Anything more than the acknowledgement of your current
idea's existence is a leap of faith.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 8:53 AM
> To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> Cc: R.Standish.domain.name.hidden
> Subject: Re: this very moment
>
> I beg to differ. It has a lot of use, otherwise the facility for
> perceiving self would never have evolved. I simply do not care about
> the infinitude of other "me"s out there, nor any of the other "James
> Higgo"s that I do not interact with.
>
> Higgo James wrote:
> >
> > It is not useful to say there is a subjective 'me' either. So what if
> your
> > current thought embeds a concept of you? It is one of infinitely many
> such
> > thoughts with all variants of that concept and none has any special
> > privilege.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 8:41 AM
> > > To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> > > Subject: Re: this very moment
> > >
> > > I don't think I ever claimed that there was an objective me. However,
> > > there is definitely a subjective me. I exist within my own
> > > psychological space - bootstrapped into existence so to speak. Doesn't
> > > make me objective though.
> > >
> > > Higgo James wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmm.. it seems to be very difficult point to make, perhaps because
> it is
> > > so
> > > > very very simple: just this very idea (of you reading this e-mail,
> and
> > > all
> > > > the thoughts that entails) is known to exist. Don't infer from that,
> > > that
> > > > there is an objective 'you' out there. Don't make that leap which is
> so
> > > > natural you can't even see you're making it.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 12:45 AM
> > > > > To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> > > > > Cc: R.Standish.domain.name.hidden; everything-list.domain.name.hidden.com;
> > > j.domain.name.hidden
> > > > > Subject: Re: this very moment
> > > > >
> > > > > So what's your point? You're being particularly obtuse today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Higgo James wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Psychological time' is a concept of time, part of your current
> > > > > psychology.
> > > > > > Occam would disapprove of assuming that psychological events are
> > > real
> > > > > > events; assuming a hard, physical world when there is no need
> for
> > > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The simplest possible explanation for 'you' is: everything
> exsists,
> > > > > > therefore this current thought exisits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It makes no sense to speak of an objective 'you' - it's as
> fatuous
> > > as
> > > > > > pointing at a square piece of pastry, saying 'there's a fish!'
> and
> > > > > cutting a
> > > > > > fish shape out of the square to prove it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 03 May, 2000 1:25 AM
> > > > > > > To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> > > > > > > Cc: R.Standish.domain.name.hidden; everything-list.domain.name.hidden.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: this very moment
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There needs to be psychological time in which to unravel the
> > > history
> > > > > > > embedded in a single observer moment. Once one has
> psychological
> > > time,
> > > > > > > one may as well go the whole hog and have a complete history,
> with
> > > an
> > > > > > > infinite number of observer moments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its an Occam thing. Nothing rules out a "Groundhog Day" type
> of
> > > > > > > effect, where we endlessly keep playing back a small piece of
> > > history
> > > > > > > (eg 1 day, or even 10 seconds if you like), however I suspect
> this
> > > is
> > > > > > > a more complicated explanation (therefore of smaller measure)
> than
> > > > > > > just assuming that we live our whole lives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Higgo James wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would someone please give me a reason why there needs to be
> > > anything
> > > > > > > more to
> > > > > > > > the observer than 'this very conscious moment' ?
> > > > > > > > James
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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