Wrong. The simplest explanation is that your ideas of the process exist as
they are, not as the result of some quantum process.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 8:56 AM
> To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> Subject: Re: this very moment
>
> I'm surprised you're using the word surprised. Nevertheless, the
> structure of a quantum history is an empirical feature, and the
> simplest such explanation is that that quantum history exists as it
> is, rather than be an effect of some other process.
>
> Higgo James wrote:
> >
> > Good grief, Russell - it's just weak anthropic principle. No explanation
> > needed. In an infinite multiverse, 'your' observer-monet exists, so why
> are
> > you suprised that it's 'you'?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 8:39 AM
> > > To: james.higgo.domain.name.hidden
> > > Subject: Re: this very moment
> > >
> > > You have it your way, I'll have it mine. Until someone can compute the
> > > complexities of either description. Simply saying they exist does not
> > > explain why they are in your observer moment (more conventionally that
> > > they are in your memory).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Higgo James wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Saying 'we really did observe them' is a lot less simple than saying
> > > 'they
> > > > exist'. Jacques and I agree, I think, that Occam is against you
> here.
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Russell Standish [SMTP:R.Standish.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 04 May, 2000 2:19 AM
> > > > > To: jackmallah.domain.name.hidden
> > > > > Cc: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
> > > > > Subject: Re: this very moment
> > > > >
> > > > > Jacques Mallah wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Russell Standish <R.Standish.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > There needs to be psychological time in which to
> > > > > > > unravel the history embedded in a single observer
> > > > > > > moment. Once one has psychological time, one may as
> > > > > > > well go the whole hog and have a complete history,
> > > > > > > with an infinite number of observer moments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its an Occam thing. Nothing rules out a "Groundhog
> > > > > > > Day" type of effect, where we endlessly keep playing
> > > > > > > back a small piece of history (eg 1 day, or even 10
> > > > > > > seconds if you like), however I suspect this is
> > > > > > > a more complicated explanation (therefore of smaller
> > > > > > > measure) than just assuming that we live our whole
> > > > > > > lives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You were doing fine until that little word "we".
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure what your point is here. It doesn't seem to relate to
> > > > > your following comment.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Other obsever-moments exist, but there's no reason to
> > > > > > insist that the ones that seem psychologically to be
> > > > > > in our past or future are really "the same person".
> > > > >
> > > > > Identity is based on recognition. If we recognise these other
> > > > > observer-moments as belonging to us, then surely the simplest
> > > > > explanation is that we really did observe them. I grant that it is
> > > > > logically possible for us _not_ to have experienced them - perhaps
> > > > > they were experienced by others, and implanted in our brains by
> > > aliens.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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