Re: Dreaming On

From: Flammarion <>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT)

On 24 Aug, 16:23, Bruno Marchal <> wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Brent Meeker wrote:

> But you see Brent, here you confirm that materialist are religious in
> the way they try to explain, or explain away the mind body problem. I
> can imagine that your consciousness supervene on something
> uncomputable in the universe. But we have not find anything
> uncomputable in the universe, except the quantum indeterminacy, but
> this is the kind of uncomputability predicted by the comp theory (and
> AUDA suggested it is exactly the uncomputable aspect of the universe
> predicted by comp).
> So you are postulating an unknown property of matter just to make the
> comp theory false. This is really a matter-of-the gaps (cf "god-of-the
> gaps") use of matter.

No uncomputable property is needed. If it is a fact that consc.
directly on matter, then no immaterial machine or virtualisation can
be conscious.
That does not prove CTM false, but it does disprove the argument that
"if physics is computible, then the CTM is true"

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