Re: Emulation and Stuff

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:52:15 +0200

On 17 Aug 2009, at 22:41, Flammarion wrote:

> On 17 Aug, 14:46, Jesse Mazer <> wrote:
>> 1Z wrote:
>>>> But those space-time configuration are themselves described by
>>>> mathematical functions far more complex that the numbers
>>>> described or
>>>> explain.
>> But what is this "primary matter"? If it is entirely divorced from
>> all the evidence from physics that various abstract mathematical
>> models of particles and fields can be used to make accurate
>> predictions about observed experimental results, then it becomes
>> something utterly mysterious and divorced from any of our empirical
>> experiences whatsoever (since all of our intuitions regarding
>> 'matter' are based solely on our empirical experiences with how it
>> *behaves* in the sensory realm, and the abstract mathematical
>> models give perfectly accurate predictions about this behavior).
> Primary matter is very much related to the fact that some theories of
> physics work and other do not. It won't tell you which ones work, but
> it will tell you why there is a difference. It solves the white rabbit
> problem.

QM mechanics solves mathematically the white rabbit problem. I do
agree with this, but to say it does this by invoking primitive matter
does not follow. On the contrary QM amplitude makes primitive matter
still more hard to figure out. Primitive matter is, up to now, a
metaphysical notion. Darwinian evolution can justify why we take
seriously the consistency of our neighborhood, and why we extrapolate
that consistency, but physicists does not, in their theories, ever
postulate *primitive* matter.

> We don't see logically consistent but otherwise bizarre
> universes because they are immaterial and non-existent--not matter
> instantiates
> that particualar amtehamtical structure.

Are you defending Bohm's Quantum Mechanics? The wave without particles
still act physically, indeed they have to do that for the quantum
disappearance of the white rabbits.


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