On 31 Jul 2009, at 12:43, 1Z wrote:
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> On 31 July, 10:03, Bruno Marchal <marc....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2009, at 10:32, 1Z wrote (to David):
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>>> But you haven't said what the problem is in the emergence of the
>>> mental
>>> from the physical
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>> It is usually called the mind-body problem. There are many good book
>> on the subject.
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> There are many bad solutions too. Finding a good solution
> means having an exat grasp of the problem, not saying in some
> vague way that mind and matter are different things.
I don't see to what you make allusion.
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>> My own work is partially a reformulation of that problem (and
>> partially a beginning of a solution), when taking Mechanism seriously
>> into account.
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>> Tell us which step in UDA you have a problem of understanding with.
>> Give us a number between 01 and 8, and a justification. OK?
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> I don't have a problem in understanding anything. I have a problem
> in granting Platonism. Without Platonism, there is no UDA "just
> there".
I guess you mean that there is no universal dovetailer (UD) out there.
Who ever said that? I just say that the UD exists in the sense that
you can prove its existence in a tiny weak part of Arithmetic.
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> wihout a UDA there are no generated minds, without generated minds
> there is no illusory matter.
Sure. But the UD exists, like prime number exists.
> At best you have an alternative to
> materalism-realism,
> not a disproof of it.
Well, then there should be a number between 1 and 8, or 00 and 08 where
you miss the step.
Apparently it is the 0 step, given that you still don't understand
that my hypothesis is just classical digital mechanism. Classical
means I accept the excluded third principle.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that I obtain platonist (in
Plato or Plotinus sense) conclusions. But the hypotheses are 100%
neutral or agnostic on this point. Like in Paris and Brussels you
still confuse the conclusion (admittedly startling) and the hypothesis.
Show me a piece of text I have written, anywhere, which makes you
think so please,
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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