Hi Bruno and Members,
The comment that is made below seems to only involve a single consciousness and an exterior "reality". Could we not recover a very similar situation if we consider the 1-PoV and 3-PoV relation to hold to some degree over a multitude of consciouness (plurality). In the plurality case, the "objective doubtful but sharable possible reality" would be composed of a large intersection of sorts of 3-PoV aspects that can be recognized by or mapped to a statistical or generic notion of a 1-PoV. No?
Onward!
Stephen
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From: Bruno Marchal
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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Consciousness is information?
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Something conscious cannot doubt about the existence of its consciousness, I think, although it can doubt everything else it can be conscious *about*.
It is the unprovable (but coverable) fixed point of Descartes systematic doubting procedure (this fit well with the self-reference logics, taking consciousness as consistency).
Someone unconscious cannot doubt either ... (A zombie can only fake doubts)
We live on the overlap of a subjective un-sharable certainty (the basic first person knowledge) and an objective doubtful but sharable possible reality (the third person belief).
To keep 3-comp, and to abandon consciousness *is* the correct materialist step, indeed. But you cannot keep 1-comp(*) then, because it is defined
by reference to consciousness. When you say "yes" to the doctor, we assume the "yes" is related to the belief that you will survive. This means you believe that you will not loose consciousness, not become a zombie, nor will you loose (by assumption) your own consciousness, by becoming someone else you can't identify with.
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Received on Tue May 05 2009 - 14:13:45 PDT