Re: d'Espagnat wins Templeton Award

From: John Mikes <jamikes.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:56:48 -0400

Russell,
you are not alone as the target of this remark...

Many people consider 'creativity' (like "change", "quality" etc.) a POSITIVE
concept. - WRONG. -
Just consider the recent creative financial genius Maddoff, with his b$50
scam - he was creative. And so are tyrants, criminals, galore. (Don't forget
politicians<G>)

I condone: 'good' and 'bad' are relative epithets, depending on the point of
view one looks at it, but the choir celebrates the 'creative' ones from the
position of a presently ongoing general value-system - in "our own" (the
writer) interest. Societal values,as we 'like' to think about 'us'.

Agreeing with your agreement: in "free" and "critical" ways of thinking I
may go a step further and propose the two as separate types rather than
aspects only.

Respectfully

John M

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Russell Standish <lists.domain.name.hidden>wrote:

>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 05:15:05PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:
> >
> > > think this is what Kim is saying. But true creativity cannot be
> > > taught
> >
> >
> > If you are right then we are doomed because creative thinking is the
> > only shot left in the locker for humans. More of the same will no
> > longer get us far.
>
> True creativity is an innate property of some people. As a proportion
> of the population, there are as many geniuses now as there were in the
> Golden Age of Greece. In fact, because the population is so much
> larger now, there are many more of them walking the planet now than then.
>
> What we can influence is the structure of society to help or hinder
> these creative people actually contributing to society (ie enable
> creative people to become recognised geniuses). We can all think of
> repressive societies that lacked any form of expressive creativity
> (yet they must still have the same proportion of creative individuals
> living in them as everyone else). Getting the right balance between
> "free thinking" and "critical thinking" is one very important aspect
> of this, so I'm certainly not disagreeing with you Kim.
>
> Cheers
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