Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

From: Brent Meeker <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:20:37 -0800

Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 27 Feb 2009, at 01:57, Günther Greindl wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>>> Personal identity and memory could be a useful fiction for living.
>>> Here
>>> I was alluding to possible deeper sense of the self, which makes me
>>> conceive that indeed there is only one person playing a trick to
>>> itself.
>>> Like if our bodies where just disconnected windows giving to that
>>> unique
>>> person the ability to have a sort of stereoscopic view on reality.
>> I think I agree with this view. At least, in mystic mode ;-)
>>
>>> Memories, like body and brain are things we possess, and this
>>> means, I
>>> think, that we can still survive without them.
>>>
>>> Suppose that I die tomorrow, and that sometimes after someone find a
>>> backup of "me" at the age of five, so that "I" am reconstituted from
>>> that backup. Would you say I am dead, or would you say that I have
>>> survived, only with a severe sort of amnesy ?
>> We should be careful here: the "mystic I" survives, but I don't think
>> that that is what most people have in mind when they talk of personal
>> identity/survival. Here, the concern is clearly continuity of memory.
>>
>> In normal discourse, the 5 year old Bruno is clearly not an amnesic
>> survivor; the older Bruno (with his unique experiences) would be dead.
>
> I am that five years Bruno, but just older. If I am promised having a
> different life, I could accept such a backup. It would be refreshing.
> If I die through amnesia, I die all the time since infinity.

It was only *complete amnesia* that was equated with death.

>Yet I am
> still feeling to be here. Rossler is right, consciousness is a prison.

Consciousness, or self-awareness?

Brent

>
> Have a good day,
>
> Bruno
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> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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