Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

From: meekerdb .domain.name.hidden <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:00:39 -0800

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:39 PM, russell standish <lists.domain.name.hidden>wrote:

>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 05:51:49PM -0800, meekerdb .domain.name.hidden wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <marchal.domain.name.hidden>
> wrote:
> > > Exactly (assuming comp). That is even the reason why amnesia can led
> > > to fusion of first persons.
> > > And given that there is (or should be) a notion of first person
> > > plural, with duplication of collection of people, there must be in
> > > "nature" a similar fusion process, and quantum erasing phenomenon is
> > > the normal candidate.
> > >
> > > Bruno
> > >
> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/<http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/><
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
> > >
> >
> > It is the potential "fusion" that bothers me. It would seem to imply
> that
> > after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our
> > "closest continuations" might be mixtures, each having some memories
> > belonging to Stathis and some belonging to me. But this doesn't seem to
> > occur - which we easily explain in terms of the causal continuity of the
> > brain.
> >
> > Brent
> >
>
> Perhaps you're not really thinking nothing after all. I have already
> stated that we must be self-aware to be conscious, otherwise we suffer
> the Occam catastrophe.


I think I am often *not* self-aware. But aside from that, I have definitely
been unconscious several times in my life and I'm sure other people (though
probably not Stathis) were unconscious at the same time. So an closest
continuation of observer moments theory of personal identity would predict
that I would regain consciousness as a mixture of those others who shared my
unconscious period.

Brent


> The sense of ego would be enough to explain why
> you don't merge with Stathis.
>
> Not being a Silvia user though, I'd like to ask the question - does the
> ensuing amnensia (whilst remaining conscious) extend to erasure of the
> ego?
>
>
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