Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

From: John Mikes <>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:20:49 -0500

two questions.

Why are you breaking your head HOW to copy something we don't believe
'exists' at all? If it aint, don't copy it. Copy what?

2. Are *you* "most of the matter" in your "body"(??) or is there something
more to it? This is exactly my point: if SOMEBODY SOMEHOW is indeed copying
us, is the physical form the essence of the complexity we ARE?
I may be 'homesick' for the variant of a year ago, when my arthritis dod not
ache so much, but is the "ache/not ache" relation what makes me up?
Our figment, the physical world image, serves some explanation about us, but
I would not like to be identified with that earlier 'John' - say: 2 year
old, or fetus, without mental experiences and capabilities. (This was the
question I re-asked a Muslim when she referred to an earlier "me" to get to
Heaven, instead of the sick old senile dying folks - what I asked

John Mikes

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <>wrote:

> 2009/2/23 John Mikes <>:
> > Stathis,
> >
> > I usually appreciate the wisdom in your posts. Now I have a retort:
> >
> >>"...What I find incoherent is the idea
> > that the psychological properties might be able to be duplicated but
> > nevertheless there is no continuity of identity because the soul
> > cannot be duplicated."<
> >
> > If you accept the topic (to be discussed) of the unidentifiable imaginary
> > "soul", than you have to accept that "IT"(???) can be duplicated as well.
> > Once we are in Wunderland we are in Wunderland.
> I don't believe in the soul so perhaps someone who does can comment
> (Tom Caylor?): is it that it can't be copied at all, i.e. not even God
> could make a soul-copying teleporter, or is it just that it can't be
> copied via physical means?
> > And if "you find yourself there" you have no notion of your destoyed
> > identity "here" and you A R E the copied fake (I call it 'fake', because
> it
> > is extracted from your 'here'-relations which constitute the essential
> > content of your identity. The "there" YOU is either another one with
> > relations to the "there" circumstances or a fake replica of what you were
> > 'here' (and have no knowledge (memory) of it. Or is the duplicate
> homesick?
> By that argument you could also say you are a copied fake of the John
> of a year ago, since most of the matter in your body has been
> replaced.
> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
> >

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