Hi, Bardia. Welcome, although I haven't participated much here myself
lately. I've been too busy following my heart, although these
discussions also do touch on something down deep for me. I'll comment
briefly off the top of my head, but hopefully from my heart.
On Jan 23, 4:23 pm, "bardiasoro....domain.name.hidden"
<bardiasoro....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> I am new to this discussion forum and have not studied all of the
> discourses and have a few questions.
>
> 1) have you guys contemplated the various recorded creation myths of
> the world and do you think that in any way has relevancy to the quest?
>
I am "a theist" (two words ;) although not the type that people
usually think of nowadays. More of a mystico-theistic mathematician,
and yet I come up with the same math as everyone else! How does that
happen? LOL. I've talked some in the past on here about how
theological intuitions might relate to these topics. Maybe you can
search for those posts.
"Quest" is a good word. I think a good question to ask everyone here
would be "Why are you here?" That question was asked in the movie
"Wanted", the answer was "I don't know who I am." I think that answer
touches on a key aspect of why we search for the truth, the ultimate
truth whatever that might mean and be. The fact that the mind/body
problem still remains at the core of this quest for the truth about
everything, after all these centuries, millenia, is telling. Are we
any closer because of science? I doubt it. But if science hasn't
helped, that isn't all bad (unless we deny it), because the good news
is that we are no further away.
> 2) I see that at least one person has studied ancient thought
> (Plotinus) and consequently the theory of emanation. Can a theory of a
> primary etherealized matter, a first matter of the universe, which may
> or may not be the stuff of dreams or mind (as some view it), be
> blended with a type of big bang theory. Some take the cyclical theory
> of the ancients and blend it with big bang theory. Theories root
> meaning is "to view"... what do you guy's think of this mental view
> and do you believe that something like it could be possible to:
>
> A primary "spiritual big bang" or expansion, or emanation...... of a
> rarefied, subtle, etherealized, sublimated form of matter..... in some
> way, perhaps an aspect of it, condensing or materializing and then
> perhaps compacting and contracting into a multiplicity of intermediary
> points that enact or give rise to the process we call the physical
> "big bangs" of the empricical universe or multiverses. Something like
> that, perhaps some one can articulate that possibility much more
> elaborately and reasonably.
>
I like the idea of emanation. From the Source/One out to us all and
we in turn relate back (see below on love). Ignoring all the
fundamental religious dogma/insistence on how/when the initial
emanation took place (e.g. 6000 years ago), Genesis does paint of
picture of existence springing from a formless void.
> 3) What do you guy's believe the place of this power, force, energy,
> feeling, experience of love has. If you look at your lives and the
> literary inheritance, you may see that some people at some times, have
> had extraordinary experiences of universal love, of a love for there
> total experience, of all the nature and animals and humans and things
> they perceive, or a feeling of vast and expansive love for humanity
> and life which they call peak experiences and the highlights of there
> life, the most important and greatest moments. What place does love
> have in the movement of any theoretical system or supersystem. What do
> we say about love?
>
> Let us not forget to draw a deep line between belief and knowledge.
First, so where do you draw the line between belief and knowledge? It
deepens on what you mean by knowledge. May I suggest that the modern
view, which sprang out of part of the Greek view, is not the only form
of knowledge that may be helpful in finding truth? Knowledge which
has a definition based on utility doesn't really get us very far on
our quest. One illustration that knowledge doesn't have to have such
a narrow view as the scientific view is that to the ancient Hebrews
the word "to know" was used also to refer to what we call "making
love", which goes to your question. And the believers in a personal
God believe that God is love, which is more than a sentimental quote
from a Hallmark card if you really think about the implications to
everything.
You say:
> Yet one writer tackles this question by asserting: "Consciousness implies
> limitations and qualifications; something to be conscious of, and someone to
> be conscious of it. But Absolute Consciousness contains the cognizer, the
> thing cognized and the cognition, all three in itself and all three *one."
>
> *Presumably, from the writers standpoint, whatever she is talking about, if
> anything, is arrived at or realized through some form of "meditation" as
> something to be experienced. Cannot verify having no basis in such an
> alleged and possibly possible experience
When we are seeking the "truth" about everything are we not in some
way acting on an urge to fully know who we are, so we can fully live
who we are? And we have this intuition that this is possible. We
feel somehow separated from who we are, or were meant to be. We have
an intuition that if we really knew fully, then we would not be caught
in this sense of otherness, but we would "live abundantly" (as someone
famous once said). We would be in a love relationship with the
Absolute Consciousness. Interesting the "all three in itself and all
three one", the Cognizer, the Cognized and the Cognition, reminds me
of the three Persons of the Trinity, respectively. ;)
Tom
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