Re: MGA 3

From: Günther Greindl <guenther.greindl.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:14:31 +0100

Hello Bruno,

I must admit you have completely lost me with MGA 3.

With MGA 1 and 2, I would say that, with MEC+MAT, also the the
projection of the movie (and Lucky Alice in 1) are conscious - because
it supervenes on the physical activity.

MEC says: it's the computation that counts, not the substrate.

MAT says: we need some substrate to perform a computation. In MGA 1 and
2 we have substrates (neurons or optical boolean graph that performs the
computation).

Now in MGA 3 you say:

> Now, consider the projection of the movie of the activity of Alice's
> brain, "the movie graph".
> Is it necessary that someone look at that movie? Certainly not.

Agreed.

> Is it necessary to have a screen? Well, the range of activity here is
> just one dynamical description of one computation. Suppose we make a
> hole in the screen. What goes in and out of that hole is exactly the
> same, with the hole and without the hole. For that unique activity, the
> hole in the screen is functionally equivalent to the subgraph which the
> hole removed.

We can remove those optical boolean nodes which are not relevant for the
  caterpillar dream

>Clearly we can make a hole as large as the screen, so no
> need for a screen.

but no! Then we wouldn't have a substrate anymore. You are dropping MAT
at this step, not leading MEC+MAT to a contradiction.

> But this reasoning goes through if we make the hole in the film itself.
> Reconsider the image on the screen: with a hole in the film itself, you
> get a "hole" in the movie, but everything which enters and go out of the
> hole remains the same, for that (unique) range of activity. The "hole"
> has trivially the same functionality than the subgraph functionality
> whose special behavior was described by the film. And this is true for
> any subparts, so we can remove the entire film itself.

We can talk about this part after I understand why you can drop our
optical boolean network *grin*


Cheers,
Günther

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