Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

From: Brent Meeker <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:36 -0700

Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> 2008/8/13 Brent Meeker <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>:
>> I've been following this back-and-forth with interest. The above leads to an
>> interesting question which I will raise after a couple of background points.
>> First, I don't think a conscious AI can exist independent of some environment of
>> which it is conscious. Of course this doesn't mean you can't create an AI
>> which, like us, is conscious of this particular world.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> Second, I think a
>> conscious AI must necessarily remember and learn. A consequence of these two is
>> that if you copy an AI the two copies will immediately start to diverge due to
>> different experiences.
>
> If we can build an AI we control it and we can give to it input in
> whatever way we like, even slowing it down, stopping it, dumping
> memory, restore a copy, record input from the world to the AI,
> (including clock time, etc) restore another copy and restart it 1 hour
> later than the first restore and feed the recorded input data. The two
> should do the same, it's a computation, it's deterministic.

In principle we could create and artificial environment for two copies of the AI
and keep them identical. But then it's a metaphysical question as to whether
there are two separate consciousness. If consciousness is computation then
"same computation"="same consciousness". The usual form of duplication that
Bruno postulates contemplates two copies at separate places in this world - in
which case they do diverge immediately.

> If they
> diverge having the same input (and being the same program) then there
> is magic somewhere.

Or quantum mechanical uncertainty.

Brent Meeker


>
>> So the indeterminancy will immediately vanish.
>
> They can be the same as long as you which.
>
>> There
>> will be two different consciousnesses; which is perfectly ordinary except that
>> they will share a lot of memories. So what does this have to do with MMW?
>
> What is the status of "mind" ?
>
>> Brent Meeker
>>
>
> Regards,
> Quentin Anciaux


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