Gevin,
thanks for your comprehensive - and very understandable - explanation about
"nothing" (no pun) and its qualia-circumstances.
My post to Hal targeted "nothingness" as differentiated from
"nothing". The concept, not the qualia or nature of its adjectival
meaning.
I regret to have missed so far your book. It must be an intresting reading.
John M
On Jan 9, 2008 7:23 AM, Gevin Giorbran <gevgiorbran.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 1:01 pm, "John Mikes" <jami....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> > JM: does anything like 'completion' make sense in speaking about an
> > unlimited totality? Furthermore: are 'copies' considerable substantial
> > items, or simply our figment of looking from different angles into
> > different angles - at the same item?
> > 1. If there is -a- 'nothingness' does it multiply when we in our
> > human logic detect "it" again?
> > 2. Do we assign qualia to nothingness? of course not.
> > - I am inclined to sort nothingness with infinity: we can talk about
> > it but have no (human) reason-based meaning - understanding - about
> > its essence. Georg Cantor tried it for the "infinity" - what
> > I still consider a mathematical game of details - not the end.
>
> I haven't had a chance to explore RS's book yet, but I can share the
> simple way that I unite nothing and infinity in my own book which is I
> suppose is fundamentally about nothing and everything.
>
> There is a real existing "nothing" and there is a concept nonexistence
> and they should never be confused. The real nothing is common,
> "nothing in the refrigerator", a white canvas, empty space (the ideal
> or direction toward i.e., expansion). The real nothing is simply
> balance, uniformity, perfect symmetry. It isn't a cancellation of
> properties or existence, it is a unification or synthesis into a
> single form, which we see as nothing. Cook everything in the frig
> together and you end up with one thing with far fewer properties. That
> property-less "one" in mathematics is zero. In a simple examination of
> zero it appears to contain all other numbers, as x + -x equals zero.
> However, zero mathematically refers to "no things" or cancellation,
> and so we say the sum of all reals is indefinite. However, as I
> explain in my book there are two mathematical systems not one. It is
> all or nothing. Zero can either represents no things, or zero
> represents all things. If zero is all things, zero becomes infinite,
> and as a result all numbers become infinite. +1 becomes all numbers
> except -1 is excluded, etc etc. Suddenly instead of counting things,
> numbers represents fragments of the everything of zero. The radical
> consequence of this is that the value or content of numbers decreases
> rather than increases. Five is a larger infinity than four, since more
> has been removed, it is a smaller fragment of the whole of a zero
> everything. 5 billion is a much smaller value and as we count into
> greater numerals our value or content is decreasing and even
> converging toward an infinitely small value. What we are doing is
> fragmenting zero, we are slicing it up into parts, and since our
> numerical value is converging rather than diverging we can recognize a
> smallest number, positive infinity, an exact division or fragmentation
> made of zero, which in this system is an actual value, no less
> definite and completed than the whole of zero, and so this infinity
> not merely a never ending or unlimited process. I call this number
> Proto, and the negative Elea. So where we are used to not having a
> mathematical value to represent everything, and used to being caught
> up in incomprehensible indefinite infinities, in this math the overall
> infinity of mathematical values is bounded by extremes. There is an
> all positive half, an all negative half, and the whole of zero. In the
> same way there exists infinite fractions between zero and one, this
> math system is infinite yet bounded by extremes, and note there is no
> nothing in this system, or rather nothing and everything are the same
> thing...zero.
>
> My cosmological application of this system is that Proto, I claim, is
> the infinitely dense (all positive) and infinitely small singularity
> in our past, the extreme of all positive, and the pendulum swung all
> the way to one side. (In this second system there cannot be a value
> smaller than half of the whole, yet that smallest value is still
> infinite). The zero of this math, or Omega, is the singularity of
> empty space toward which our universe is currently accelerating
> towards. It is the largest value in nature, and why the universe
> expands and ultimate ends as a perfectly flat space extending
> infinitely in all directions (perfect symmetry).
>
> The most dramatic consequence of all this being the realization that
> our universe is not simply becoming disordered, our universe is not
> dying, rather time evolves away from one kind of order (the ultimate
> grouping of all positive apart from all negative, with each having
> high symmetry internally while relative to zero they are perfect
> asymmetry) and time evolves towards a whole other kind of order
> (unity, balance, perfect symmetry) which is actually the infinite
> whole, a quantum superposition of all universes, matter and antimatter
> worlds, antimatter worlds being those that travel from negative Elea
> to zero.
>
> So as to why we exist rather than nothing at all, the answer is that
> nothing still exists. What we think of as nothing is really
> everything, and zero is the native state of being, as non-being or
> nonexistence cannot "be" (Parmenides). It simply is. We are inside the
> real nothing, inside zero. Ordinary math is based upon the order of
> the past, the distinction and form that results of slicing zero up,
> with Proto claiming to be the great 1, the beginning, everything that
> matters, more than zero. This second system, which I call symmetry
> math, is certainly less functional in our everyday lives, but it is
> less of an abstraction of true reality, and applies much more
> effectively to cosmology, the study of the whole.
>
> Gevin Giorbran
> http://everythingforever.com
>
> >
>
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