Re: Joining Post

From: Quentin Anciaux <>
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:08:53 +0100


Is hurting or make the puppet suffer morally correct with your position ?

If it is not, then this is strange since they are only puppets and you
*are*...(means you can't hurt them because they aren't) This is simply
sollipsism and (un)fortunately completely circular.

Also as you acknowledge other "pilots" existence in "other" universe, how is
this different than acknowledging simply the existence of other people ?
(same existence as your)

Quentin Anciaux

Le Thursday 03 January 2008 05:47:40 Gevin Giorbran, vous avez écrit :
> Three years of college, no degrees, no status. Left school and started
> writing, and authored three books about the existence and structure of
> all possible universes, including "Exploring A Many Worlds Universe"
> in 1997, arguing as the main theme in each book that our universe ends
> in finite time (est. 120 billion years in '94) as expansion stretches
> space perfectly flat, this causing time to end at a ground state of
> absolute zero. The books were legally copyrighted in '94, '96, and
> '97, all prior to 1998 when we discovered the expansion of the
> universe is in fact accelerating us towards absolute zero. When I
> wrote my first three books the mainstream of science considered a
> finite end of time at zero to be impossible, and today the third law
> still states it cannot happen, but old science often gets in the way
> of new science. The recent measurements of acceleration indicate the
> (phantom) dark energy density causing acceleration is increasing,
> which makes the big rip scenario the leading future candidate.
> Caldwell describes the possibility of time as ending at the "ultimate
> singularity" and Sean Carroll is stating "our universe ends as empty
> space" as if this is now obvious. I agree, but further state there is
> no zero or a beginning from nothing in our past, the ultimate zero
> exists only in our future. The universe has pronouncedly been
> expanding at zero since time began because zero is the ultimate "great
> attractor", the very cause of time. My prediction that time ends at
> zero was based upon a bounded model of all possible states, which also
> predicts structure or limitations of the greater multiverse. My fourth
> book, "Everything Forever: Learning to See Timelessness", explains the
> governing role a cosmic zero plays in the evolution of all universes
> and all life.
> Thoughts of late:
> I believe there necessarily is only one "pilot" observer in each
> universe or O-region. All third party observers in each pilot's
> experience are subject to quantum mechanical sampling. The members of
> this Everything-list from my particular experience are a probabilistic
> sampling of the ultimate whole of what is possible considering this
> scenario. Any feedback I receive will correspond to that same spectrum
> of what is possible, therein reflecting a sampling of personalities,
> knowledge, beliefs, responses, in accordance with what are most
> probably found in a scientific discussion group about many worlds. So
> am I the only real observer in this universe?
> The name of the movie escapes me where Dustin Hoffman uses a bed sheet
> to portray parts of a single unified universe. His hand moves from one
> place to another under the sheet, as he says this is the Eiffel tower,
> this is you, this is me, this is a tree. It is all just one universe
> he says, which suggests we are all just puppets of that universe. True
> at least until you consider how quantum mechanics breaks the universe
> up into discreet states, and even divides apart observers into
> separate universes.
> We can only converse with the puppets of a quantum mechanical
> universe. Pilots cannot communicate with one another, since observers
> cannot communicate independent of governing probabilities. The only
> saving grace is if all possible pilots and their O-regions exist, so
> real pilots at least correspond to the quantum puppets of an observers
> experience.
> Sorry, yes you are a puppet, well perhaps the reader of this post
> isn't a puppet, but the responses I observe will be from puppets,
> while only real pilots are left to question if the set of possible
> pilots is more or less restricted than the spectrum of people a pilot
> experiences in the quantum world adjacent one's consciousness.
> Are pilots and puppets identical and thus existentially the same?

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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