On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:37:09 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
> Mohsen Ravanbakhsh skrev:
> >The "subjective experience" is just some sort of behaviour. You can make
> > computers show the same sort of >behavior, if the computers are enough
> > complicated.
>
> But we're not talking about 3rd person point of view. I can not see how
> you reduce the subjective experience of first person to the behavior that
> a third person view can evaluate! All the problem is this first person
> experience.
>
> What you call "the subjective experience of first person" is just some
> sort of behaviour. When you claim that you have "the subjective experience
> of first person", I can see that you are just showing a special kind of
> behaviour. You behave as if you have "the subjective experience of first
> person". And it is possible for an enough complicated computer to show up
> the exact same behaviour. But in the case of the computer, you can see
> that there is no "subjective experience", there are just a lot of
> electrical fenomena interacting with each other.
>
> There is no first person experience problem, because there is no first
> person experience.
>
> --
> Torgny Tholerus
Like I said earlier, this is pure nonsense as I have proof that I have inner
experience... I can't prove it to you because this is what this is all about,
you can't prove 1st person pov to others. And I don't see why the fact that a
computer is made of wire can't give it consciousness... there is no
implication at all.
Again denying the phenomena does not make it disappear... it's no explanation
at all.
Quentin
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Received on Tue Jun 19 2007 - 06:05:44 PDT