Re: Asifism

From: Mohsen Ravanbakhsh <>
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:25:09 +0330

What is the subjective experience then?

On 6/8/07, Torgny Tholerus <> wrote:
> Quentin Anciaux skrev:
> On Friday 08 June 2007 17:37:06 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
> What is the problem?
> If a computer behaves as if it knows anything, what is the problem with
> that? That type of behaviour increases the probability for the computer
> to survive, so the natural selection will favour that type of behaviour.
> I claim that if it behaves as if, then it means it has consciousness...
> Philosophical zombie (which is what it is all about) are not possible... If
> it is impossible to discern it with what we define as conscious (and when I
> say impossible, I mean there exists no test that can show between the
> presuposed zombie and a conscious being a difference of behavior) then there
> is no point whatsover you can say to prove that one is conscious and one is
> not. Either both are conscious or both aren't... While you say you're not
> conscious... I am, therefore you're conscious.
> The question, as I see it, is if there is anything "more" than just atoms
> reacting with each other in our brains. I claim that there is not anything
> "more". The atoms reacting with each other explain fully my (and your...)
> behaviour. Our brains are very complicated structures, but it is nothing
> supernatural with them. Physics explains everything.
> --
> Torgny Tholerus
> >

Mohsen Ravanbakhsh,
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