Re: Asifism

From: Torgny Tholerus <>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:47:35 +0200
Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 04-juin-07, à 14:10, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
Pain is the same thing as the pain center in the brain being stimulated.
If you are really unconscious or not conscious, you could say this, indeed, but I hardly believe you are unconscious.
In the best case your theory will work for you and other "zombie". It cannot work for those who admit the 1/3 distinction or the mind/body apparent distinction.
You are on the fringe of being an eliminativist philosopher. What I do appreciate is that you offer your theory for yourself. Let me ask you explicitly this question, which I admit is admittedly weird to ask to a zombie, but: do you think *we* are conscious?
I am constructed in such a way (my brain connections is such that...) I very strongly claim that I am conscious, I very strongly claim that I have feelings, I very strongly claim that I have a mind, I very strongly claim that I have perceptions.  But I know (intellectually) that I am wrong, and I know why I am wrong.

When I look at you (in 3rd person view), I see that you are constructed in exactly the same way as I am.  So I know why you say that you are conscious.  I know nothing sure about you, but the most probable conclusion is that you are equally unconscious as I am.

What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny the existence of the consciousness?
(I also deny the existence of infinity...)

Torgny Tholerus

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