Re: Asifism

From: Torgny Tholerus <>
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:10:21 +0200
Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 01-juin-07, à 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
When I am tortured, my pain center in my brain will be stimulated.
will cause me to try to avoid this situation (being tortured).  One
(good) way to archive this is to start talking about "ethics".  If I 
make other human beings to "believe" that it is ethically wrong to
torture objects, that behave as if they were conscious, then the
probability that somebody will torture me decreases.
But if "me" is not conscious, why should us try to diminish that 
My brain is constructed in such a way, that if my pain center is stimulated, then I will not repeat those action that caused the pain center to be stimulated.  (And if my lust center is stimulated, then I will repeat those actions that caused my lust center to be stimulated.)  My neurons in my brain are interconnected in such a way, causing this behavoiur.

This is all ethics is about: Trying to avoid stimulating the pain 
in our brains.
Could pain exist without consciousness?
Do you agree that the sensation of pain is different from acting like 
if having that sensation of pain?
If not movie actors would complain!
Pain is the same thing as the pain center in the brain being stimulated.  When movie actors behave as if they were feeling pain, then it is not pain, because their pain center in their brains are not being stimulated.  Only their outer behaviour is the same, inside their brains there will be different.

Torgny Tholerus

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