Re: An idea to resolve the 1st Person/3rd person division mystery - Coarse graining is the answer!?

From: Stathis Papaioannou <>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:06:01 +1000

On 08/05/07, <> wrote:
> Silly spelling error in my last post - I meant 'electrons' of course.
> Let avoid talk of 'electrons' then, and talk about 'Quantum Wave
> Functions' then, since surely even Russell must agree that QM fields
> are fundamental (at least as far as we know). You can't say that QM
> fields are just human inventions - take away the base level and you
> have no objective reality left to argue about! ;)

Actually I didn't pick it as a typo - I thought you were talking about
elections. Elections are complex things, involving candidates, voters,
timing, standards of empirical verification and many other rules. They also
involve concepts such as "fairness", "democracy", "deceitfulness" and so on.
You can't physically grasp an election or draw a circle around it.
Nevertheless, calling it an election is just a shorthand for a collection of
matter behaving in a certain way. There is no extra election-substance
instilled by the universe which makes the difference between an election and
an otherwise identical non-election, and there is no election-entity
distinct from the behaviour of matter which we observe and call an election.

Stathis Papaioannou
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