Stathis,
I am weary about the view of 'computationalism' based on that emryonic binaryly digital toy we used yesterday. I let my tech. immagination wander and think about analog computers dealing in meanings and functions rather than bits 0 or 1. In such sense
SUCH 'physical 'COMPUTER' will run a conscious program, not a mechanisedly 'consciousified' digital program.
If called 'computer' at all, it is a tool. Call it 'god' and you are out.
*
I cannot blame Peter to be stubborn in "that's we have, (rather: see), that's we love" pragmatism. I am irresponsible enough to allow speculative conditional fantasy.
Of course only into my 'narrative'. But IMO advancement needs a free unrestricted mind and includes fantastic ideas.
Right or wrong. And of course I am not certain myself.
John M
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From: Stathis Papaioannou
To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking about "Mathematicalism"
On 4/9/07, Quentin Anciaux <allcolor.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> From: 1Z
>
> Brunoism relies on Platonism as well as computationalism.
> Computationalism can be as true as tue can be, but so long as
> Platonism is false, so long as a computer needs a physical instantion,
> Brunoism does not follow. Brunoism doesn't follow from physicalism,
> it is in oppostion to it.
Could you explain what is "physical instantion" ? What means "physical" ?
It's quite reasonable and straightforward at first glance: you need a physical computer to run a conscious program. But Maudlin- and Putnam-type arguments show that this idea is flawed, implying either that computationalism is wrong or else that you don't need a physical computer to run a conscious program. Peter doesn't accept these arguments, and has also hinted in the past that he is not certain about computationalism.
Stathis Papaioannou
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