Re: Janus [was Evidence for the simulation argument ]

From: Mark Peaty <>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:05:53 +0900

John, with your rich linguistic experience you surely recognise
that English [plain or otherwise] is very much a hybrid language
- and surely many who are forced to learn it as a second or
third language would call it 'b*stard' even. And the way that we
native speakers of English use words from other languages is
never very consistent, Imp*rialistically exploitative is the
stronger tradition. So please don't expect great depth of
empathy with Latin or whatever.

The point about 'Janus' - who I first heard about through
reading the books of Arthur Koestler - is that 'he'? no 'It'!
embodies or symbolises some interesting aspects of the
part-whole nature of things in the real world. And it was Arthur
Koestler who really majored on the pervasive manifestation and
influence of part-whole dichotomy-as-integration in nature.

My rave about Janus and the quora is an attempt to digest all
the strange and seemingly incompatible theories and descriptions
trotted out on this and other discussion groups. The Janus
incorporates a basic paradoxical feature of the 'real' world:
togetherness and separation. The two faces of Janus ARE one
entity or feature, like the two sides of a door. Each face must
connect with others, and it seems self evident that such a place
of connection requires at least three different Jani to be
linked together, because just two would not be distinguishable.

Part of the reason I go on about this is that I am not satisfied
with conceptions of 'arithmetic' being ultimate in nature and
somehow immune from entropy. My take on things is that
'existence' per se is ultimately irreducible but we can never
get to the bottom of it. Indeed, 'getting to the bottom' of the
_Great It_ may be impossible in principle if process physics is
the truest description we can find. If basic space time is an
eternal process of collapse and simplification in the direction
of smallwards, there may be no true smallest thing. Our
discovery of the Planck length, etc, and the fact that we live
in a world of the characteristic dimensions it appears to have,
may be 'just' artefacts or consequences of being the size we
are. What I mean is there may be no limits to the range of
scales [orders of magnitude] that are possible.

One good feature of the 'Janus' concept is that it incorporates
existence, connection at potentially vast distance, the
potential for 'direction' [because the two faces of Janus are
looking opposite ways], the potential for tension and its
resolution through simplification [and therefore gravity as
drift towards small size], and so forth. Furthermore it does not
rule out the possibility that the connections embodied as the
Janus connection, are of an indeterminate, fractal nature. This
might be reflected in the node or quorum actually being made of
[or having] fractional connectivity.

I see it as possible that 'numbers' are in fact words, and the
'integers' or 'whole numbers' that we commonly speak of and
utilise are actually convenient fabrications humans have created
in order to impose order on the world. It is conceivable that
everything real is actually a process that can only ever be
represented properly with 'quasi-numbers' that only ever
exhibit/take fractional values.


Mark Peaty CDES

John Mikes wrote:
> Mark, makes sense - but... *: I hate when people create a new
> vocabulary to be learned for appropriate use. I made MY
> vocabulary and the rest of the world should learn it. Adolf
> H*tler. * Then again I like your 'plain English' of Latin
> words, grammar and mythology. * We like to mix features of
> reductionist (conventional) "science" with more advanced
> ideas, it is an excellent way to secure endless discussions.
> Like e.g. the "SU".. I rather spread my 'I dunno' into the
> vagueness of my narratives, suggest what we might find (out?)
> in the future and scratch those assumptions that *in my
> views* serve only the purpose to make model-theories better
> believable (calculable?). * If I got it right, your 'ianus'
> is sometimes called relation and the quorum may be referred
> to as (network) nodes or hubs in some other vocabulary.
> (quorum, btw. looks to me as a plural genitive of the pronoun
> qui quae quod in masculine or neutral (quarum being the
> feminine), also used pars pro toto for the existing total
> construct mostly in human assemblages. Accordingly my Latin
> disallows to form a simple plural of it, since it is not a
> noun within the neutral o-based conjugation. (Yet, you may
> say: 'quorums'). (I learned this 74-75 years ago, so please
> do correct me if someone has more recent and unmatching
> memories).
> You start well with " * so-called Dark matter may simply be
> vortex knots that neither generate nor receive gliders..."
> but continue within the subatomic 'particle' lingo,( of which
> Enrico Fermi quipped: If I knew that much Greek, I could be a
> botanic. )
> Best regards
> John M
> On 3/14/07, *Mark Peaty* <
> <>> wrote:
> I think many questions go begging here.
> Your elementary unit SU will have more of a logical existence
> than a 'physical' existence. There is no reason to suppose
> that Pythagoras's theory will apply because Pythagoras's
> theory entails ideas of straight lines, a right angle, and so
> forth but your elementary units are too simple to know about
> that stuff :-) How do they even know where their ends are? Ie
> what makes the difference between the 'length' of the
> elementary unit and the 'end' where it joins another.
> In fact though, I think it is more exciting to contemplate
> the possibility that space-time is a process. Certainly this
> is what is being asserted by the proponents of "Process
> Physics". I cannot pretend to understand the mathematical
> formalisation they put forward. I like the idea very much
> though so I play around with my mental picture version and
> see where it takes me.
> The story so far looks like this: * existence [all that which
> is] consists of nodes and connections * the nodes can be
> called a 'quorum' when talking about one, and 'quora' for
> plural * the connections can be called a 'janus' when talking
> about one, and 'jani' for plural * the janus is named after
> the Roman g*d Janus, the g*d of doors and name sake of the
> month of January, the common feature being that Janus had two
> faces one for each opposite direction, and two natures one
> being that of connecting and the other being that of dividing
> * the quorum is so named because there must be at least
> three jani facing ...

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