Brent,
as usual, you have hard replies. Just one exception:
I do not mean 'each and individual mindset' as the term 'belief system', but this is hard to explain. Most scientifically educated westerners - or many religious faithfuls can argue among themselves. I never tried to speculate about identifying what constitutes a 'different belief system', but 'system' must be more than just shades of individual differentiation in the details.
John M
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From: Brent Meeker
To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Believing in Divine Destiny
John Mikes wrote:
> Stathis:
> You, of all people, should realize that one belief system cannot reach
> over to
> another one. Logic - mindset is different, "facts" come in different
> shades, "evidence" is
> adjusted to the 'system', a belief system is a whole world.
> Brent makes the same mistake: to argue from his 'scientific' (is it
> really - in the
> conventional old sense???) mindset with statements of the faithful, but
> it is a
> geerally committed error - while you, a learned mind-scientist should know
> better.
> I am not on top of this myself: I fall frequently into arguing from my
> 'rational'
> worldview into the (rational for them) faith-induced mentality.
>
> We are the (negligible) minority. "They" have less doubts than us.
>
> So I thank mhmdriad9.domain.name.hidden <mailto:mhmdriad9.domain.name.hidden> (whoever he
> or she may be) for the
> valuable intofmation about the Muslim culture and take it as that.
> We will never get a jihadic self-sacrificer to accept that his
> expectation of the
> huris waitnig for pleasuring him 'over there' is unfounded. It is for
> him and who
> cares (in my view) for 'happenings' of our present (human) copmplexity
> after it
> dissolved (call it death) into disintegration?
>
> A year ago or so Wei Dai put an end to religious discussions on the list.
> That was in the Judeochristian domain. He was right on the button.
> Is the Judeochrismuslim argumental domain different?
> Such discussions cannot be resolved into any agreement of the 2 poles.
>
> Anybody arguing - MY - point?
I guess it would be futile to discuss anything with you, since you believe each of us is hermetically sealed in their own belief system. I don't agree - but that's my error.
Brent Meeker
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