Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>
>
> On 2/22/07, *Mark Peaty* <mpeaty.domain.name.hidden
> <mailto:mpeaty.domain.name.hidden>> wrote:
...
> The idea of the Turing test is that "an algorithmic implementation of
> rules" will give the required "degree of spontaneous creativity". If you
> don't believe in this, then you don't even believe in weak AI, let alone
> strong AI or computationalism. That is not a common position among
> scientists and philosophers of mind; even John - anticomputationalism -
> Searle agrees that the laws of physics necessitate that
> human-indistinguishable AI should be theoretically possible. Roger
> Penrose, and Colin, are very much in the minority.
>
> Stathis: 'I can meaningfully talk about "seeing red" to a blind
> person who has no idea what the experience is like ... '
>
> MP: OK, but can he or she meaningfully understand you?
>
>
> They can understand many things about sight without actually
> understanding what it is like to have it, just as we can understand many
> things about a bat's sonar, in many ways much more than the bat
> understands. But that part of vision or bat sonar which cannot be
> understood unless the observer has it himself, no matter how good the
> collected empirical data, is what is meant by first person experience.
>
> Stathis Papaioannou
I'm not convinced that there is any such first person experience.
Brent Meeker
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Received on Fri Feb 23 2007 - 00:03:58 PST