Dear John,
Perhaps if you could answer just this question of Brent's, neither a straw man nor personal abuse:
"Do you consider all belief systems to be equal? If not what makes one better than another?
Stathis Papaioannou
________________________________
> From: jamikes.domain.name.hidden
> To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
> Subject: Re: Evil ?
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:41:55 -0500
>
> Dear Brent,
> I value many of your posts higher than continue this exchange which starts to turn strawmannishly ad personam.
> I wanted to continue, but deleted my post before sending.
> I do not promise NOT to reflect to your posts in other matters, but what this developed into is - as it marks - "Evil".
> With best regards your voodoo expert
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brent Meeker<mailto:meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
> To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden<mailto:everything-list.domain.name.hidden.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Evil ?
> John M wrote:
> > Brent,
> > sorry if I irritated you - that is felt in your response.
> > ----------------------
> > You remarked:
> > (>"> Upon your:
> > > "...an unbiased sample, of the available evidence? " is showing.
> > - Who is unbiased? )"<
> > You don't have to decide who's unbiased.
> > JM:
> > My question meant: NOBODY is unbiased. Not you, not me, whoever 'thinks'
> > has some position which is hard to overcome.
> Why should everyone "overcome" their position.
> > In the continuation I would appreciate to substitute your "opinion" word
> > by "belief system" - scientific or religious.
> > -----------------
> > " Is there no reason to prefer science to voodoo?"
> > Ask a voodoo official.
> I'm asking you.
> >A friend was raised by nuns in Chile and asked
> > "I was thinking..." whereupon the nun - educatrix shouted her down: "you
> > should not "think" you should "believe". (Have you ever believed a
> > science-book? Say: stories told by your college-professor? )
> No. And if you ask a scientist if he believes some theory you'll either get a funny look or an exposition on the evidence for and against.
> > You cannot exclude in reasonable discussions the religious vast majority
> > of humanity, - talking about a handful of 'free thinking'
> > fundamentalists (science-crazed people) is a vaste of time.
> They are not "a vast majority" in most of Europe. So it is quite possible for there to be non-religious societies.
> >In our
> > western 'culture' the science-belief system is comparable mutatis
> > mutandis with the religious one - noting some differences WHAT
> > conditions are set for accepting an evidence (=truth).
> And is that difference unimportant? Do you consider all belief-systems to be equal? If not, what makes one better than another?
> > --------
> > Your: "???" - look in your text for "imply".
> > --------------
> > Your par: "What's your evidence for that? ..."
> > You can pick the religious old, I can pkick the others, and tjhose who
> > changed (or abandoned at all) religions. I was referring to a "pristine
> > faith" of the young. The official religion of a country is politics. I
> > don't know about your statistical figures, but social (marital?)
> > pressure keeps lots of people as churchgoers from the many millions that
> > don't go. Even in countries of an 'official' state-religion.
> > --------
> > Finally:
> > "... in fact they all claim that they are immune from test. This is
> > where they fail in their epistemological duty."
> >
> > You mean the epistemological duty YOU impose? They simply claim to be
> > immune from YOUR test, they have their own 'test' and 'evidence'.
> > That was my point.
> I think humans valuing knowledge is as fundamental as their valuing food and sex. So there is a recognized epistemological duty. Everyone, in every culture, is contemptuous of the fool and a fool is someone who readily adopts false beliefs.
> Brent Meeker
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007
>
_________________________________________________________________
Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail.
http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d
--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list.domain.name.hidden
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list-unsubscribe.domain.name.hidden
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Received on Fri Jan 12 2007 - 22:01:34 PST