Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Tom Caylor writes:
>
> > > So you believe that the Qur'an is the literal word of God? What I was hoping is that
> > > you would say Muhammed was deluded or lying, so that the Qur'an is at best an
> > > impressive piece of literature with some interesting moral teachings: i.e., what atheists
> > > say about the Bible.
> > >
> > > Stathis Papioannou
> >
> > No, I was just answering your question. I'm going out on a limb (not
> > referring to Shirley McLane ;) but I think that the belief in Islam
> > about the Qur'an is that it fulfills the role of the 2nd/3rd
> > hypostates, instead of the person of Jesus. It is eternal and spans
> > the infinite gap between God and man. For the Christian, Jesus
> > fulfills this role. (Also, Jesus, being a person, solves the problem
> > of the infinite relationship gap between us and God in a from-God-to-us
> > direction rather than the from-us-to-God direction of good works. Good
> > works are only finite.) So as I see it the Christian has a different
> > belief about the Bible than does the Muslim about the Qur'an. There
> > are plenty of good sources about the Christian's belief about the
> > Bible, and evidence to support those beliefs, so I don't want to get
> > into a long discussion about it on this List. I'll just say that I
> > believe that a non-Christian can read the Bible, and about the Bible,
> > to try to find out something in a rational way, just like reading any
> > other book.
>
> Sure, the Bible contains some historical facts, some moral teachings, some great literature,
> as does the Qur'an. But there are literal conflicts between the Bible and the Qur'an, eg.
> Muslims believe that Jesus was just another prophet, not God in human form [if that concept
> is even coherent], while Christians do not believe that Muhammed actually took dictation from
> God. But in terms of empirical evidence, general plausibility, or even strength of conviction in
> believers, there isn't much to choose between the two faiths. Why do Christians and Muslims
> agree on certain incredible-sounding things of which they generally have no direct experience,
> such as the Earth being spherical, but strongly disagree on other things such as the status of
> Jesus and whether he really rose from the dead?
>
> Stathis Papaioannou
People disagree on lots of things, especially if it touches on ultimate
questions, for instance as I mentioned about the Christians' belief
that Jesus is the solution to the problem of evil (from-God-to-us) and
Muslims' (and all other belief systems that recognize the problem of
evil) belief that the solution depends on our good works (or something
similar, from-us-to-God/Good). Do you recognize the problem of evil,
and if so, what do you believe is the solution? Do you think that the
MWI is the key to the solution?
Tom
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Received on Sun Jan 07 2007 - 23:36:46 PST