RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

From: Jef Allbright <>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:02:11 -0800

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> I realised when I was about 12 or 13 years old that there
> could not be any ultimate meaning. I was very pleased and
> excited with this discovery, and ran around trying to explain
> it to people (mostly drawing blank looks, as I remember).
> It seemed to me just another interesting fact about the
> world, like scientific and historical facts. It inspired me
> to start reading philosophy, looking up words like "nihilism"
> in the local library. It also encouraged me to question
> rules, laws and moral edicts handed down with no
> justification other than tradition or authority, where these
> were in conflict with my own developing value system.
> Overall, I think the realisation that there was no ultimate
> meaning was one of the more positive experiences in my life.
> But even if it hadn't been, and threw me into a deep
> depression, does that have any bearing on whether or not it is true?

It's encouraging when one sees that one is not entirely alone in
breaking free of the patterns of popular thought.

I came to a similar realization at a similarly young age, and when I
tried to share my wonderful and powerful new idea I received not just
blank looks, but reactions of concern that I intended to abandon all
morality. At that point I learned that I had better not discuss these
ideas, but continued to read and think with the belief that while there
was no absolute meaning, at least the scientific method could provide

It took me until my early twenties to realize that science was also
fundamentlly incomplete. I then had an experience I call "passing
through the void and coming out the other side" seeing that everything
is just as before despite lacking any absolute means of support or
justification. It was intensly and profoundly liberating. I saw
clearly that I could never know any absolutes, but being an inherently
subjective being, my subjective awareness was absolutely appropriate.

Since then, paradoxes of self, personal identity, free-will and morality
became clearly resolved, extending to a theory of collaborative social
decision-making that becomes increasingly moral as it promotes
converging values over diverging scope.

- Jef

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