Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>
>
> Jef Allbright writes:
>
>> > I said "might" because there is one case where I am certain > of the
>> truth, which is that I am having the present > experience.
>>
>> Although we all share the illusion of a direct and immediate sense of
>> consciousness, on what basis can you claim that it actually is real?
>>
>> Further, how can you claim certainty of the "truth" of subjective
>> experience when there is so much experimental and clinical evidence that
>> self-reported experience consists largely of distortions, gaps, time
>> delays and time out of sequence, fabrications and confabulations?
>>
>> I realize that people can acknowledge all that I've just said, but still
>> claim the validity of their internal experience to be privileged on the
>> basis that only they can judge, but then how can they legitimately
>> contradict themselves a moment later about factual matters, e.g. when
>> the drugs wear off, the probe is removed from their brain, the brain
>> tumor is removed, the mob has dispersed, the hypnotist is finished, the
>> fight is over, the adrenaline rush has subsided, the pain has stopped,
>> the oxytocin flush has declined... What kind of "truth" could this be?
>>
>> Of course the subjective self is the only one able to report on
>> subjective experience, but how can it *justifiably* claim to be
>> infallible?
>
> I can't be certain that my present subjective state has anything to do
> with reality. I can't even be certain that having a thought necessitates
> a thinker (as Bertrand Russell pointed out in considering Descarte's
> cogito). However, I can be certain that I am having a thought.
>
>> To be certain of the truth of something implies being able to see it
>> objectively, right? Or does it equally imply no questions asked?
>
> It's a strange quality of delusions that psychotic people are even more
> certain of their truth than non-deluded people are certain of things
> which have reasonable empirical evidence in their favour.
Yet this seems understandable. The psychotic person is believing things because of some physical malfunction in his brain. So it is easy to see how it might be incorrigble. The normal persons is believing things because of perception, hearsay, and logic. But he knows that all of those can be deceptive; and so he is never certain.
Brent Meeker
> This is also
> the case with religious beliefs, which the formal psychiatric definition
> excludes from being called delusions because they are consistent with a
> particular culture, i.e. the believer did not come up with them on his
> own. So it would seem that certainty does not always have much to do
> with objectivity.
I'd say that certainty excludes objectivity.
Brent Meeker
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