Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:26:08 +0100

Le 27-déc.-06, à 02:46, Jef Allbright a écrit :

> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> But our main criterion for what to believe should be
>> what is true, right?
> I find it fascinating, as well as consistent with some difficulties in
> communication about the most basic concepts, that Stathis would express
> this belief of his in the form of a tautology. I've observed that he
> is
> generally both thoughtful and precise in his writing, so I'm very
> interested in whether the apparent tautology is my misunderstanding,
> his
> transparent belief, a simple lack of precision, or something more.

I don't see any tautology in Stathis writing so I guess I miss

> If he had said something like "our main criterion for what to believe
> should be what works, what seems to work, what passes the tests of
> time,
> etc." or had made a direct reference to Occams's Razor, I would be
> comfortable knowing that we're thinking alike on this point.

This would mean you disagree with Stathis's tautology, but then how
could not believe in a tautology?

> But I've
> seen this stumbling block arise so many times and so many places that
> I'm very curious to learn something of its source.

 From your "working" criteria I guess you favor a pragmatic notion of
belief, but personally I conceive science as a search for knowledge and
thus truth (independently of the fact that we can never *know* it as
truth, except perhaps in few basic things like "I am conscious" or "I
am convinced there is a prime number" etc.).
To talk like Stathis, this is why science is by itself always
tentative. A scientist who says "Now we know ..." is only a dishonest
theologian (or a mathematician in hurry ...).


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