Re: Natural Order & Belief

From: Wei Dai <>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:22:52 +0800

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  From: Kim Jones
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Natural Order & Belief
  Dear John,
  This is ancient history judging from the post date. Just the same - I saw a post from you some time ago with the single word in the subject line "unsubscribe". I'm not dreaming - I saw it. Did you lean on the big, bright yellow unsubscribe button by mistake?
  Kim Jones
  On 16/12/2006, at 8:53 AM, John M wrote:
    Dear list:
    this was the last post I received (I think I am subscribed)
    Have I been (or the list?) terminated?
    John Mikes
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bruno Marchal
      Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 5:27 AM
      Subject: Re: Natural Order & Belief
      You are right, I was wrong. Those deeds are not contingent. They
      probably appears automatically when one give a name to God.
      Perhaps, "God" could be "defined" by this: it is the one which is such
      that once you give it a name or a definition trouble appears.
      Obviously such a sentence should not be taken to much literally (if we
      do we are led to an obvious inconsistency).
      So, from now on, each time I use the word "God" it will means the
      impersonal big unnameable 0-person point of view, that is Plotinus'
      ONE, and/or some of its possible arithmetical (set theoretical)
      interpretation(s), that is arithmetical truth (resp. set theoretical
      I will recall the theory in my reply to Tom Caylor.
      Le 20-nov.-06, à 18:03, John M a écrit :
> Bruno:
> How far Occident? Quetzealcoatle was not much better.
> Orientals? did they care at all? they were occupied
> with their lovers. Germanics and Scandinavians? no
> better, not to spek about Maori, African, Hawaiian
> etc.
> requiring virgins to be thrown into the Volcano. The
> priests of the smarter ones ate them.
> Did you notice the Catholic homophag rite: "Take it
> and eat it: it is my body. Drink it: it is my blood.
> And literary thousands of protestant rites follow
> suit.
> Muslims cleaned that up, they concentrate on heavennly
> sex (hueis).
> Sorry if I hurt feelings.
> John
> --- Bruno Marchal <> wrote:
>> Le 18-nov.-06, à 21:49, John M a écrit :
>>> Why do the religions (almost all of them) depict a
>> god after the worst
>>> human
>>> characters: jealous, flatterable, requiring praise
>> and blind
>>> obedience,
>>> vengeful, irate, picking favorites,
>>> even sadistic and not caring? Why does he punish
>> for deeds done
>>> exactly as
>>> he created the sinner?
>> I disagree with the "(almost all of them)". True,
>> since a long time, in
>> Occident, the main religions are based on such a
>> "God", probably
>> because he looks like the "terrifying father", very
>> useful to
>> manipulate people by fear and terror.
>> But this is contingent, and eventually I take that
>> sad contingent truth
>> as a supplementary motivation to come back on
>> "serious theology", by
>> which I mean 3-person sharable theology (even if
>> such a theology does
>> talk about first person unsharable notion).
>> Bruno
> >
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