Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:34:45 +0100

Le 12-déc.-06, à 03:58, 1Z a écrit :
> 1Z wrote:
>> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> I agree that the problem of evil (and thus the equivalent problem of
>>> Good) is interesting. Of course it is not well addressed by the two
>>> current theories of everything: Loop gravity and String theory.
>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> To expand a bit,
Well, thanks.
> both of these easily answer the problem Of Evil
> if you treat them as Theories of Everything (and not just Everything
> Physical).
I was "kind" enough to consider them as theories as everything indeed,
but then it is an obvious fact that Loop Gravity (LG) and String
Theories (ST) does not even address the question, nor any qualia
question. Of course, LG and ST, like all physicalist approaches, rely
on an implicit materialist theological doctrine.
> The Problem of Evil is the Problem of reconciling a good God with a
> suffering world.
No. This is only a version of "the problem of Evil" in christian
theologies. In Buddhism, the "problem of evil" can arguably be
translated into the problem of finding the roots of suffering (and how
to cut them). In non-eliminative materialism the problem of evil is the
problem of why and how information processing by neurons does make a
first person feeling pain, etc.
Here I was alluding to the quasi trivial fact that to get a
"scientific" theory of "suffering" (and thus more generally evil) we
need a theory of qualia before.
> Since
> there is no God in either theory, the problem does not arise.
Which illustrates that ST and LG are not theory of everything (unless
we take the materialist doctrine, but then comp is wrong, or my
argument UDA is incorrect, ...)
But evil exists, (no?), if only through the existence of suffering
(although "evil" is a notion arguably far more complex than "just"
suffering (hope you grant a relation between suffering and evil)).
Of course, from a comp point of view, LG and ST address only the fourth
hypostases (Z1 and Z1*, perhaps S4Grz1 and the X logics too). And they
does not try to distinguish between the communicable and the non
communicable part of it.
BTW you are quick saying there is no "God" in LG and in ST, is that a
theorem? I don't see the question addressed in those theories except
perhaps somehow by Hawking ...
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