Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
> You do NOT interpret sense data! In consciuous activity you interpret the
> phenomenal scene generated using the sense data.
But that is itself an interpetation for reasons you yourself have
spelt out. Sensory pulse-trains don't have any meaning in themselves.
> Habituated/unconscious
> reflex behaviour with fixed rules uses sense data directly.
Does that make it impossible to have
adaptive responses to sense data?
> Think about driving home on a well travelled route. You don't even know
> how you got home. Yet if something unusual happened on the drive - ZAP -
> phenomenality kicks in and phenomenal consciousness handles the novelty.>
Is that your only evidence for saying that it is impossible
to cope with novelty without phenomenality?
> > With living organisms, evolution provides this
> > knowledge
>
> Evolution provided
> a) a learning tool(brain) that knows how to learn from phenomenal
> consciousness, which is an adaptive presentation of real
> external world a-priori knowledge.
> b) Certain simple reflex behaviours.
>
> > while with machines the designers provide it.
>
> Machine providers do not provide (a)
> They only provide (b), which includes any adaptivity rules, which are just
> more rules.
How do you know that (a) isn't "just" rules? What's the difference?
You seem to think there is an ontological gulf between (a) and (b). But
that
seems arbitrary.
> > Incidentally, you have stated in your paper that novel technology as the
> > end
> > product of scientific endeavour is evidence that other people are not
> > zombies, but
> > how would you explain the very elaborate technology in living organisms,
> > created
> > by zombie evolutionary processes?
> >
> > Stathis Papaioannou
>
> Amazing but true. Trial and error. Hypothesis/Test in a brutal live or die
> laboratory called The Earth.... Notice that the process selected for
> phenomenal consciousness early on....
But that slides past the point. The development of phenomenal
consciousness was an adaptation that occurred without PC.
Hence, PC is not necessary for all adaptation.
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