>
> Bruno wrote:
>
>> In yet another post you say:
>>> When talking about minds, the self/other boundary need not occur on
the
> biological boundary (skin). I would say that when dreaming, or
> hallucinating, the random firing we perceive as coming from our input
centres (visual cortex for instance) is coming from outside our minds
(although still within our heads).
>> I can accept this. It is consistent with the idea that the UD is not
> conscious, despite generating all possible form of (comp)
>> consciousness.
>> Bruno
>
I am going to try and clarify a little my previous post in bullet form so
that the smelly bits can be singled out. I want to make sure I am making
sense. If I do then break out the champagne! A rare occurrence, even to me
:-)
1) There is a platonic realm of number. Call it NUM, where numbers are
real and existence is the act of numerical computation and,
simultaneously, theorem proving in relation to numbers.
2) There is a real realm of STUFF, where STUFF is real and existence is
also the act of computation and, simultaneously, theorem proving in
relation to STUFF.
3) We STUFF-beings are theorems in the continual unfolding proof that is
the STUFF realm.
4) NUM-beings, creatures of equivalent cognitive/intellectual capability,
would be continual unfolding proofs in the NUM realm.
5) We STUFF-beings can abstract the NUM realm and examine it logically and
computationally the various features of the NUM realm including
NUM-beings.
6) NUM-beings could abstract the STUFF realm and examine it logically and
computationally the various features of the STUFF realm including
STUFF-beings.
7) We STUFF-beings can imagine a STUFF-UD that can computationally explore
the entire NUM realm. The NUM-beings in the STUFF-UD are not conscious,
but because STUFF-beings are external to the STUFF-UD, they have a god
perspective on the NUM realm.
8) NUM-beings can likewise imagine a NUM-UD that can computationally
explore the entire STUFF-realm. The STUFF-beings in the NUM-UD are not
conscious, but because NUM-beings are external to the NUM-UD, they have a
god perspective on the STUFF realm.
9) In the case of 7) and 8) this exploration does not create a NUM realm
or a STUFF realm, respectively.
10) STUFF-realm behaviour can be modelled in NUM-realm abstractions by
STUFF-being scientists. This is STUFF-science. Likewise NUM-realm
behaviour can be modelled in STUFF-realm 'abstractions' by NUM-being
scientists. This is NUM-science.
11) In this circumstance if 1)...10) , 'computationalism' in the classical
computer science (strong-AI) sense is false in the NUM realm for
NUM-beings and in the STUFF realm for STUFF-beings.
This is where I really falter.....
12) What has been termed COMP, however, is the hypothesis that the act of
exploration in 5) and 6) reveals all the features of the realms thus
explored, not that computation actually creates the realms.
erm....ish.
clues anyone?
regards,
Colin Hales
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