Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

From: 1Z <peterdjones.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:06:28 -0800

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> Peter Jones writes:
>
> > Errmm.. if by "recover" we are able to replay them as
> > conscious (re)experiences. The memory-trace need
> > only contain time-stamps indicating the order
> > and timing of the contents of the experience. The
> > total structure of time-stamped-stored-experience
> > can co-exist simultaneously, just as a the frames
> > of a movie stored on a shelf co-exist simultaneously.
> >
> > The stored experience is not conscious in itself
> > any more than the stored movie involves any (ilusion of) motion.
> >
> > In both cases, that comes in with the recovery.
>
> That's not an accurate analogy. For a start, a film in the can is not
> equivalent to a film on the screen sliced up into frames because there
> is no projector and no screen in the can.

Would it help if there were?

> Then there is the fact that if
> you did project one frame in one cinema, the next frame in another
> cinema, and so on, the analogy would still not hold because it leaves
> out the observer. To make the analogy work, you would have to show
> one frame to an observer in one cinema, suspend his consciousness
> while you move him and the film to another cinema, show him another
> frame, supend his consciousness again while you move to a third cinema
> for the third frame, and so on. The observer would then see the whole
> film, and if the cinemas were identical, would not even know he had been
> moved, other than due to mere technical problems.

I am not (here) arguing that time-slicing is necessarily noticeable,
I am arguing that the dynamism of a recovered memory doesn't imply
that the stored memory trace itself is dynamic.


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