Le 03-oct.-06, à 21:33, George Levy a écrit :
> Bruno,
>
> I looked on the web but could not find Maudlin's paper.
Mmh... for those working in an institution affiliated to JSTOR, it is
available here:
http://www.jstor.org/view/0022362x/di973301/97p04115/0
I will search if some free version are available elsewhere, or put a
pdf-version on my web page.
> So I just go by what you are saying.
>
> I still stand by the spirit of what I said but I admit to be
> misleading in stating that Maudlin himself is part of the machine. It
> is not Maudlin, but Maudlin's proxy or demon, the Klaras which is now
> parts of the machine. Maudlin used the same trick that Maxwell used.
> He used a the demon or proxy to perform his (dirty) work.
>
> It seems to me that if you trace the information flow you probably
> can detect that Maudlin is cheating: How are the protoolympia and the
> Klaras defined?
Maudlin is cheating ? No more than a doctor who build an artificial
brain by copying an original at some level. Remember we *assume* the
comp hypothesis.
> To design his protoolympia and the Klaras he must start with the
> information about the machine and the task PI. If he changes task from
> PI to PIprime than he has to apply a different protoolympia and
> different Klaras, and he has to intervene in the process!
Yes but only once. Changing PI to PIprime would be another thought
experiment. I don't see the relevance.
I know you got the paper now. It will help in this debate.
>
> Maudlin's argument is far from convincing.
BTW I thought you did understand the physics/psychology
(theology/computer-science/number-theory) reversal. What makes you
changing your mind? (just interested).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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