Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

From: Russell Standish <r.standish.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 03:10:52 +1000

On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 02:59:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> > Any person's experience is obtained by
> > differentiating - selecting something from that "nothing".
> >
> > The relationship between this zero information object, and
> > arithmetical platonia is a bit unclear, but I would say that anything
> > constructible (Sigma_1) must be extractable from the zero information
> > object.
>
> OK then. But this means you are an arithmetical realist, and that an
> external "reality" exist, for example your strings, or your set of
> strings, and I am still more confused by your saying there is not even
> an immaterial external reality, which would be solipsism with a
> revenge.
>
> Bruno
>

The set of all strings is the same object, regardless of
interpretation, regardless of alphabet, and is the only object to have
zero information. It is a good candidate for the Everything, but
curiously it has the properties of Nothing.

One simply cannot observe this zero information object, one can only
observe somethings, descriptions in my terminology. Anything in
Sigma_1 is such a something. Anything you can possibly to convey to me about
any mathematical object must also be extractable. However, there are
possibly mathematical things not within the zero information objects,
but they are inherently noncommunicable (shades of you G*\G perhaps?).

I think all that I say is that external reality is Nothing. It is not
quite the same as saying there is no external reality, but not far
off.

But solipsism is really about other minds, in any case, so its hardly
solipsism.

Cheers

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