Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:29:25 +0200

Le 19-sept.-06, à 08:02, Colin Hales a écrit :

> Hi,
> I’m overrun with stuff at uni, but I have this one issue – solipsism-
> which is hot and we seem to be touching on, so I thought you may help
> me collect my thoughts before I run off… gotta leave all those threads
> hanging there…and I left them in an awfully under engineered
> state…sorry!
> SIDE ISSUE (infinity and the UDA)
> Fromthe UDA you can show that to make comp false you need to introduce
> actual infinities in the subject.
> The infinitely small and infinitely large are two sides of the same
> thing. One can construct an infinitesimal as an identity = the
> difference between two very nearly cancelling infinities (type A and
> type B) or from a single infinity consisting of an infinite number of
> random simple transitory events (changes from state A to B and back)
> that acts as an effective average ‘NOTHING’.
> From this ‘change based’ model of infinity, based on mere statistical
> happenstance, an infinitesimal’s existence (albeit transitory) is
> predictable logically by the nature of the impossibility of infinity
> (a perfect NOTHING requires infinite cancellation of all A with all B
> under all circumstances). Indeed, rarely, you will get extraordinarily
> large (not very infinitesimal!) collections of transitory events as
> temporary coherence of massive quantities of simultaneous state A or
> state B.
> The infinitesimal is therefore evidence of actual infinities, but in
> an ‘as-if’ sense. Whether this constitutes the introduction of ‘actual
> infinities’ in the context of disproof of the UDA you can work out
> yourself

It would be a problem if the actual infinities or infinitesimals were
thrid person describable *and* playing some role in the process of
individuating consciousness. In that case comp is false.

About solipsism I am not sure why you introduce the subject. It seems
to me nobody defend it in the list.
Perhaps we should abandon both the term solipsism and the term
platonism, and use instead the terms
subjective 1-personal idealism for "solipsism"
and objective 3-personal idealism for platonism,

But I am not sure either. Change of terminology hardly solves problem,
but it can help in some context.


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Received on Wed Sep 20 2006 - 05:30:57 PDT

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