RE: Rép: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

From: Stathis Papaioannou <stathispapaioannou.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:40:08 +1000

Peter Jones writes:

> > > > Saying that there is a material substrate which has certain properties is just a working
> > > > assumption to facilitate thinking about the real world. It may turn out that if we dig into
> > > > quarks very deeply there is nothing "substantial" there at all, but solid matter will still be
> > > > solid matter, because it is defined by its properties, not by some mysterious raw physical
> > > > substrate.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not using the Bare Substrate to explian "solidity", which is as
> > > you say
> > > a matter of properties/behaviour.
> > >
> > > I am using it to explain contingent existence, and (A series) time.
> >
> > We could say that matter is that which feels solid, reflects light, distorts spacetime etc.
> > and leave it at that.
>
> However, that is mere behaviour. I need a defiition
> which digs deeper than behaviour,and I have one.

All I see is mere behaviour. When I say that something is as real as this desk in front of me, I am
saying that it is as real as the mere mere behaviour in front of me - as opposed to the desk in my
dreams, which lacks such behaviour. Do you think we really disagree about desks? If it looks like a
desk, feels like a desk etc., then it's a desk. It doesn't add anything to say that it also contains
"essence of real desk" to distinguish it from dream desks, because dream desks differ from real
desks in other ways.
 
Stathis Papaioannou
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