Right, so 'Let a=a+1 goto start" is a mathematical structure with SASs.
That's how far we can compress an MWI universe. But you cannot compress a
single classical universe.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Christopher Maloney [SMTP:dude.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent:	Friday, July 30, 1999 12:06 PM
> To:	everything-list
> Subject:	Re: Fwd: Implementation/Relativity
> 
> 
> 
> Russell Standish wrote:
> > 
> > Not every position, momentum etc of particles are relevant to the
> > existence of ouselves as SASes. However, other properties, are, such
> > as the value of the fine structure constant. To describe a universe
> > which gives rise to human-like conscious being probably does not
> > require very much information - the axioms of quantum mechanics,
> > axioms of probability theory, the values of a few fundamental
> > quantities etc. etc. In all probability, the universe could be
> > described by something fitting on a conventional floppy disk. However,
> > the program required to expand this description could not be executed
> > within our universe, for reasonably obvious reasons.
> > 
> 
> This is from Tegmark's paper (although I think he was paraphrasing
> Tipler from Physics of Immortality):
> 
>   Let us imagine a hypothetical Universe much larger than our own,
>   which contains a computer so powerful that it can simulate the time-
>   evolution of our entire Universe.  By hypothesis, the humans in this
>   simulated world would perceive their world as being as real as we
>   perceive ours, so by definition, the simulated universe would have
>   PE [physical existence].  Technical objections such as an infinite
>   quantity of information being required to store the data appear to
>   be irrelevant to the philosophical point that we will make.  For
>   instance, there is nothing about the physics we know today that 
>   suggests that the Universe could not be replaced by a discrete and
>   finite model that approximated it so closely that we, its 
>   inhabitants, could not tell the difference.  That a vast amount of 
>   CPU-time would be needed is irrelevant, since that time bears no
>   relation to the subjective time that the inhabitants of the Universe
>   would perceive.  In fact, since we can choose to picture our Universe
>   not as a 3D world where things happen, but as a 4D world that merely
>   is, there is no need for the computer to compute anything at all --
>   it could simply store all the 4D data, and the "simulated" world 
>   would still have PE.  Clearly the way in which the data is stored
>   should not matter, so the amount of PE we attribute to the stored
>   Universe should be invariant under data compression.  The physical
>   laws provide a great means of data compression, since they make it 
>   sufficient to store the initial data at some time together with the
>   equations and an integration routine.  In fact, this should suffice
>   even if the computer lacks the CPU power and memory required to
>   perform the decompression.  The initial data might be simple as well,
>   containing so little algorithmic information that a single CD-ROM
>   would suffice to store it.  After all, all that needs to be stored
>   is a description of the mathematical structure that is isomorphic to
>   the simulated universe.  Now the ultimate question forces itself 
>   upon us:  for this Universe to have PE, is the CD-ROM really needed
>   at all?  If this magic CD-ROM could be contained within the simulated
>   Universe itself, then it would "recursively" support its own PE.  
>   This would not involve any catch-22 "hen-and-egg" problem regarding 
>   whether the CD-ROM or the Universe existed first, since the Universe 
>   is a 4D structure which just is ("creation" is of course only a 
>   meaningul notion within a spacetime).  In summary, a mathemtaical 
>   structure with SASs would have PE if it could be described purely 
>   formally (to a computer, say) -- and this is of course little else 
>   than having mathematical existence.
> 
> 
> 
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Received on Fri Jul 30 1999 - 04:23:17 PDT