# Re: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

From: <jamikes.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:03:54 -0400

Bruno: is your

" I do indeed find plausible that the number six is perfect,..."
an argument?
I asked about the "sixness" of six, without counting or quantizing. I honor
your opinion, but it is no evidence. 6 is so nice round, VI is not.

> If you want, numbers are what makes any counting possible<
No, I want: "any counting makes numbers possible". On the abacus you may
count or calculate without numbers if you use identical bullets, by

Why has 6 'divisors'? because my math teacher said so?

I see a vicious circularity here:
numbers are identified with characteristics which are said to be caused by
the numbers. Assigned characteristics, used as justification for the
character. All "assumed" to be so. If I do not count my fingers, why is 3
different from 5?

If 6 is so perfect, why do we generally use a decimal system? We can even
more compute in binary and even more in 24ary (English) or in 36ary
(Hungarian)
with strings (=words) arithmetic (=syntax) and sum (=sentence - meaning).
So what is the perfect sixness in 6? Or the imperfect nineness in 9 (upside
down)?
You tell me and I will be ready to calculate a Rieman integral or a Lagrange
series.

John Mikes

PS:
When my son was 4 we used 2 buses to the grandparents: #5 and #25. My son
was a good observer. He knew a '5'. On Sunday morning he pointed in the
newspaper to a #2 and said: "a Twenty".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Marchal" <marchal.domain.name.hidden>
To: <everything-list.domain.name.hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: ROADMAP (well, not yet really...

>
>
> Ante diem XVII-um calendas Septembris as Aug. 15 (not XVI as 32-16)
> John M wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Bruno:
> >
> > What is - 6 - ?
> > Perfect number, you say.
> > If I do NOT count - or quantize, does it have ANY meaning at all?
>
>
> Again we are discussing the arithmetical realism (which I just assume).
> To be clear on that hypothesis, I do indeed find plausible that the
> number six is perfect, even in the case the "branes would not have
> collide, no big bang, no physical universe".
> Six is perfect just because its divisors are 1, 2, and 3; and that
> 1+2+3 = 6. Not because I know that. I blieve the contrary: it is the
> independent truth of "6 = sum of its proper divisors" than eventually
> I, and you, can learn it.
>
>
>
>
> > I don't see sense in saying it is more than 5 and less than 7 if I do
> > not
> > know the meaning of 5 and 7 as well. And of 6 of course.
>
>
> I agree. It does not make sense YOU SAYING that "5 < 6 < 7", if YOU
> don't know the meaning of 5, and 6, and 7; unless you are lucky when
> deciding to say random sentences ('course).
> It has nothing to do with the fact that 5 < 6 < 7, independently of you
> and me. Just keep silent, in case you are not sure about the meaning of
> 5, 6, and 7.
>
>
>
>
> > Without quantification, what does "6" mean? Why is it perfect? In
> > what?
> > Try to cut out 'counting' and 'quantities' - let us regard the symbol
> > '6'.
> > What does it symbolize?
> > I can understand it in 2+4=6 on an abacus, but there it is 'counting'
> > bullets.
>
>
> If you want, numbers are what makes any counting possible.
>
>
>
> > What is it in the preceding line?
> > In old Rome 8-3=6 was the right result (as in their back-counting
> > calendar
> > as 8,7,6 - they included the starting (day) into the subtraction), now
> > 8-2
> > make 6 - 6 what?
>
>
> It is not because some country put salt on pancakes that pancakes do
> not exist there. Roman where writing 8 -3 for us 8 - 2. It is like
> saying 3*7 = 25 on planet TETRA. They mean 3*7 = 21, they just put it
> differently.
>
> Bruno
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
>
> >
>
>
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