Nick: the "practical" - "philosopher".
I refer to my 'misunderstood' expression to Bruno:
"NAME Calling"
(which was a pun, meaning we "call" names and assign
meaning to it - in our OWN mindset, then fight for
THIS meaning against another person's meaning "called"
by the same NAME) - Bruno misunderstood it into its
original "un-pun" (vulgar?) connotation
( - sorry, Bruno - )
well, your "solipsism" is such a 'name'.
We live in our own one and pretend to be 'objective'.
Indeed our (call it: First Person) mind formulates a
'world of solipsist reality' - one may consider it as
'primal', indeed it is a reflection to who knows what.
(Norman's 'reality' vs. Brent's "real real-reality").
Some people are more flexible in this (internal)
formulation and absorb impacts from others (what I
call 3rd person impact) others just stick to 'their
own'.
Inevitably reformulating the topics into the original
(solipsistic?) original positions to argue about.
I don't believe that such cycling is a perfect one:
the argued-against positions have an impact.
Slow, but adjusting.
It is sort of a slow 'moving on'.
John Mikes
--- Nick Prince <mn.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> This is a form of solipsism - it is difficult to
> attack it and defending it
> can be similarly time consuming. I think we have to
> move on and believe
> there is a better approach - if only to get
> somewhere other than back to the
> beginning every time.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Norman Samish <mailto:ncsamish.domain.name.hidden>
>
> To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:53 PM
>
> Subject: Can we ever know truth?
>
>
>
> In a discussion about philosophy, Nick Prince said,
> "If we are living in a
> simulation. . ."
>
>
>
> To which John Mikes replied, "I think this is the
> usual pretension. . . I
> think 'we simulate what we are living in' according
> to the little we know.
> Such 'simulation' - 'simplification' - 'modeling' -
> 'metaphorizing' - or
> even 'Harry Potterizing' things we think does not
> change the
> 'unknown/unknowable' we live in. We just think and
> therefore we think we
> are."
>
>
>
> This interchange reminded me of thoughts I had as a
> child - I used to wonder
> if if everything I experienced was real or a dream.
> How could I know which
> it was? I asked my parents and was discouraged, in
> no uncertain terms, from
> asking them nonsensical questions. I asked my
> playmates and friends, but
> they didn't know the answer any more than I did. I
> had no other resources
> so I concluded that the question was unanswerable
> and that the best I could
> do was proceed as if what I experienced was reality.
>
>
>
>
> Now, many years later, I have this list - and
> Wikipedia - as resources.
> But, as John Mikes (and others) say, I still cannot
> know that what I
> experience is reality. I can only assume that
> reality is how things appear
> to me - and I might be wrong.
>
>
>
> Norman Samish
>
>
>
>
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