1Z:
I liked your examples, would have liked better if you do not base the entire
list on "matter to exist". It may not.
I have a notion - cannot put my finger on an adequate formulation of it into
words - that mathematics cannot be computed by mathamatics - I think Goedel
would have some objections to that.
Somebody tell me if this is a wrong idea. I will not fight it. (Not my
table).
John M
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From: "1Z" <peterdjones.domain.name.hidden>
To: "Everything List" <everything-list.domain.name.hidden>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: This is not the roadmap
Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 24-juil.-06, à 02:26, 1Z a écrit :
> > OTOH, materialism explains how qualia can be unrelated to computation.
> Could you say how (without invoking words like "real")?
If nothing exists except mathematical structures, qualia can only
be identical to mathematical structures.
If qualia exist as non-mathematical properties, then something
exists other than mathematical structures.
If something exists other than mathematical structures, then
qualia can supervene in on it, rather than on mathematical structures
per se.
if matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia
can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures.
If computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on computational
processes.
Computational processes are mathematical structures , so if
computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on mathematical
structures.
Qualia must be related to mathematical structures to be related to
computational
processes.
If there is a way in which qualia can be unrelated to mathematical
structures
it is also a way in which they can be unrelated to computational
processes.
If matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia
can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures.
Therefore , if matter exists, there is a way in which qualia can be
unrelated to mathematical structures.
Therefore, if matter exists, there is a way in which qualia can be
unrelated to computational processes.
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