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From: Russell Standish <R.Standish.domain.name.hidden>

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:12:56 +1100 (EST)

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*> Two people make a bet based on the toss of a coin while a third =
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*> of heads or tails is fifty-fifty, 0.5. The coin lands heads, one of them =
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*> loses, fair enough.
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*> Having seen this, our voyeur steps out of the room, gets in his time =
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*> probabilities of heads and tails now? Are they still fifty-fifty, or are =
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*> This little argument seems to pose 3 possible conclusions.
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*> 3. There is a fundamental flaw in this line of reasoning.
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*> Does anyone have any comments?
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There is a 4th conclusion, which the MWI opens up.

4. Time travel is possible, probability is meaningful. In this case,

the observer travels back in time to the original point (the unsplit

universe). This time, there is a 50% chance that the observer will

find erself in the same future that e came from, and 50% chance that e

finds erself in the future with the opposite outcome.

Of course this is only a cartoon picture - in reality, events with

multiple outcomes happen all the time, and the probability of the

observer finding history repeating itself exactly the same to the time

that e left it diminishes exponentially fast with the time

separation. Thus, time travel is not paradoxical, and in fact General

Relativity allows for the possibility of time travel (although it is

technologically out of our reach for the forseable future). Special

Relativity conversely expressly forbids time travel (or faster than

light travel, which is the same thing).

Cheers

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Dr. Russell Standish Director

High Performance Computing Support Unit,

University of NSW Phone 9385 6967

Sydney 2052 Fax 9385 7123

Australia R.Standish.domain.name.hidden

Room 2075, Red Centre http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks

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Received on Wed Jan 20 1999 - 20:05:19 PST

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:12:56 +1100 (EST)

There is a 4th conclusion, which the MWI opens up.

4. Time travel is possible, probability is meaningful. In this case,

the observer travels back in time to the original point (the unsplit

universe). This time, there is a 50% chance that the observer will

find erself in the same future that e came from, and 50% chance that e

finds erself in the future with the opposite outcome.

Of course this is only a cartoon picture - in reality, events with

multiple outcomes happen all the time, and the probability of the

observer finding history repeating itself exactly the same to the time

that e left it diminishes exponentially fast with the time

separation. Thus, time travel is not paradoxical, and in fact General

Relativity allows for the possibility of time travel (although it is

technologically out of our reach for the forseable future). Special

Relativity conversely expressly forbids time travel (or faster than

light travel, which is the same thing).

Cheers

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Dr. Russell Standish Director

High Performance Computing Support Unit,

University of NSW Phone 9385 6967

Sydney 2052 Fax 9385 7123

Australia R.Standish.domain.name.hidden

Room 2075, Red Centre http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks

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